why a graded coin is more expensive?

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no graded coins are not worth more but ignorant buyers pay more. ask any top buyer and they do not pay more for graded coins i have not and our GD has not either. learn to grade.
Collectors who live outside the usa will always be step children of the hobby lear to live with it. nothing can beat the us coin market and i mean nothing

 

easy dearest spock... you're starting to sound like Mr. Brooklyn when he speaks of New York City.

to us the US coin market is the best. We feel an attachment to it, and I am sure that elsewhere people feel patriotic about their own coinage. Let everyone love whatever they love.

 

I think I was insulted :hatch:

 

Well, when you have at least one coin dealer also being the owner of a major grading company, I can see how it would be rather easy for lower-valued coins to make it into slabs

 

I would never insult you Ruben, I like you, but you do have a habit of denoting everything west of Brooklyn as being "west" and being kind of city "centric" meaning that you think of your town as kind of the center of the world. I think we all do to a point,, but most of us realize that this forum speaks to the world, not just NYC, or the US for that matter. I realize that most of it when you say it is "tongue in cheek" but text doesn't carry tone of voice very well.

 

spock1k
I have to disagree with you, USA coin market is stronger because your economy is, but, if you didn´t know, coin collecting is a really ancient hobby in Europe and Asia and America (remember, America is not only USA, there are other 23 countries in the continent), it was once called the king´s hobby, almost every european capital has a museum with a Coin Cabinet, normally the king´s collection, and you are not going to finde ther any ultra overpriced slabbed dime or 3 cents coins, you are going to find only the finest examples of the hobby, a conjunction of history and art, even the first coins circulating were american colonial coins (pieces of eight).

 

A wise man once said, "It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Just something we might all bear in mind...

 

Yes - it is mostly tongue in cheek, although I do think the City is the greatest place in the world, perhaps in the history of the world, the example to the world, and hence the target of much of the worlds frustrations and hatred.

I already annotated the long list of reasons why this is a difficult place to live elsewhere, so I won't do it again, as well as all the other places I think are great.

As for everything being west,

I do believe factually that about 10% of the US population lives East of the Hudson and south of the Connecticut Mass border and North of Staten Island. East of the Delaware River even more

Never misinterpret my love for this city as a put down of anywhere else (welll except for Milwaukee anyway)

Ruben

 

amen

 

I gree wit dis guy!
Guido

 

Anyway - you guys in Chicago have a whole group here and all I have is treasurehunt and elaine. And treasurehunt hates Brooklyn My only chance is to stay on the offensive.


Ruben

 

My advisor is exactly like you, so I know where you're coming from.

Maybe it's the best place in the world nowadays. Then again, maybe not. It is definitely on the very top anyway you look at it.

However, to call it the greatest place in the history of the world, well, that's just plain silly (no pun intended).

 

As a newbie .... I went "hog wild" buying early on (from Ebay no less) and I got burned because I didn't do my homework. I bought more than a few "raw" coins which were mis-represented by the seller (imagine that!!)...

SO I sold all of my raw coins back on Ebay .. at a loss as you can imagine, but they all went thank god. And I have kept only my PCGS graded coins.

You can not really learn to how to grade without having many examples to study and study again. Obviously at a show or in a coin shop you can only stand there examining the coin for so long. And as (obviously) every coin of a particular grade has different attributes, it is best to have quite a few examples. Looking at Images and books is just not the same.To make a long story short, until I am completely proficient in grading, I buy slabbed PCGS coins, to learn. Someday, when i am more secure in my grading skills I will possibly go raw.

 

Ah, my bad. :whistle:

 

Maybe not. There have been very few episodes of real freedom in human history, let alone peace and stability. Rome was a devastating slave center. Jerusalem was burned to the ground and was in the middle of a war zone, but it is obviously it was a great city. Cordova, or Toledo in 14th Century were close but nowhere near the center of civilization that NYC is now. London had devastating poverty at its zenith, and now resembles NYC in many regards. Amsterdam is a great city and might be close. Paris? nah. Great city but never the world center NYC is.

Historically name the city that ever had New York's economy, freedom, stability, cosmopolitan culture, media, finance, opportunity, fashion, education, theater, music, writing and publishing, innovation, tolerance as this city does now in our lifetime, say from WWII to the Present.

It is hard to fathom one.

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Sometimes it almost seems that 800 years of Western Civilizations development was for the purpose of making New York as a gift to mankind.
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Ruevain

 

You're being to contemporaneous, Ruben. To say that NYC is better than Rome (for example) because it has no slaves is the same as saying my little town in Portugal is better than Rome because we have no slaves. By the same token, probably every little hell hole in 200 years would be better than NYC today. That makes no sense. If you're doing an "all time" comparison you can't be stuck on modern criteria.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of admiration for NYC and I am extremely eager to get to know it first hand, but I can't help but to compare the american fascination with their own society with the high school students that think they know everything already (here I am being too broad and not aiming your point).

My point is that NYC is still an adolescent compared to some of the cities you mentioned and many more such as London, Baghdad, Alexandria, Moscow, Istambul, Athens, and many others in China or India that I don't know as well. What I'm saying is that ancientness does not confer you any special status in and of itself, but all these places and some others were as vibrant, dynamic and progressive in their own time or even throughout time as is NYC today (and yes, that would include all those things you mention, but of course relative to its own time). I would argue perhaps even more, due to the fact that the world today has many more such places (in several degrees), but that perhaps would be too unfair because it's just the way world is now, and NYC stands out in its own right.

 

The city is not as young as it may seem, at least by European standards. National Geographic once did an article on Megopolis's and their history and NYC was very early in passing many, if not most, of the hallmarks of a modern city. And age is not necessarily a worthy standard anyway. Additionally, I'm speaking of a time and place and living in our time in this city might be the greatest in history.

For one thing, don't underestimate how horrible conditions both politically and socially have been in the world until recently. Rome was a terrible place to live unless you were a member of the political class. Power exchanged hands by bloodshed. Half the city or more was slaves and another 40% was practically indentured servants. People couldn't get out of these cities fast enough. That was true right up to the middle of the 20th century.

The living standards in the West since WWII have no parallel in world history. Would you want to be a random citizen of 8th century Bagbag, 19th century London, 17th Century Paris, 8th Century Peking, 3rd Century BCE Athens, 20th Century Moscow? I don't think so because not only were these places all repressive on a scale we are no longer familiar with, but they suffered food shortages, poverty, and general intolerance to a degree that no modern Westerner would tolerate.

I'm telling you we are not only living in a unique time in human history, but a unique place and the fascination with America is not adolescent but recognized the world over by any thoughtful historian as the driving force behind the explosion of human rights world over, not to mention the crucible of democratic experimentation for the rest of the world. And NY has been the center of that.

When you leave the US then you don't come to thing of your home country as a small player on a world stage of diversity. To the contrary. You come to really understand just how deep seated, ubiquitous and and far reaching American Culture really is.

Ruben

 

urbanization: In 1800, roughly 2 percent of people lived in cities; in 1900, 12 percent; in 2000, more than 47 percent. In 1900, not one metropolitan region had 10 million people or more. By 1950, one region did -- New York. In 2000, 19 urban regions had 10 million people or more. Of those 19, only four (Tokyo, Osaka, New York, and Los Angeles) were in industrialized countries