1879 - S Morgan opinions?

Ok so I know NPG is an unreliable joke, I've done my research there. They "graded" this coin as an MS66 Prooflike. I bought it because I really thought it looked decent from the auction pics (and at the time was not aware of NPG's bad rap)...

So, I recently joined PCGS Collectors club and have started a set there. Could anyone give me their take on what they think the grade is on this coin and what it might be worth? I want to know if it's worth grading.What grade would you guys put it at?

Thanks here are the pics ....

 

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I would say MS65 and they were off on saying prooflike. More good news- NOT CLEANED!!

 

What would you say the value is?

 

Nice coin but I don't agree with the MS66. The strike is very excellent! I think it is a 63 or 64 though because of the markings near the face of the Liberty. Buy ANA standards, this is a sensitive area.

Ruben

 

I don't agree either with NPG on MS66, it's just I am insecure in my grading "technique" thus far and am not sure. It sure looks more radiant than a couple ms63's I have and with less bag marks.

oh and is it truly a "Reverse of 78" looks more like the later reverse than 78 to me.

 

Reverse of 78', I'm I dont think so it has 7 tail feathers and SAF (Normal Rev). How did they mess that up?

 

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1126&Lot_No=9205#Photo

 

Auction 28112, Lot 22351 Tuesday, November 11, 2008 63 NGC $69.00 Auction 68111, Lot 61351 Sunday, November 2, 2008 63 NGC $69.00 Auction 28104, Lot 24215 Tuesday, October 28, 2008 63 NGC $92.00 Auction 99, Lot 527 Wednesday, January 6, 1993 63 ANACS $154.00 Auction 154, Lot 296 Friday, April 26, 1996 63 NGC $26.40 Auction 28111, Lot 21381 Tuesday, November 4, 2008 63 NGC $74.75 Auction 27024, Lot 12003 Tuesday, February 27, 2007 63 NGC $80.50 Auction 65093, Lot 24357 Sunday, September 18, 2005 63 NGC $80.50 Auction 28015, Lot 25578 Tuesday, January 29, 2008 63 NGC $115.00 Auction 108, Lot 1569 Friday, October 1, 1993 63 NGC $132.00 Auction 111, Lot 285 Friday, December 3, 1993 63 NGC $143.00 Auction 68063, Lot 63717 Sunday, June 15, 2008 63 NGC $167.90 Auction 20081, Lot 1302 Tuesday, August 8, 2000 63 PCGS $60.00 Auction 20082, Lot 2218 Tuesday, August 15, 2000 63 PCGS $60.00 Auction 20103, Lot 3254 Tuesday, October 17, 2000 63 PCGS $66.00 Auction 1110, Lot 6139 Sunday, June 29, 2008 63 PCGS $86.25 Auction 443, Lot 8288 Tuesday, July 17, 2007 63 PCGS $92.00 Auction 22023, Lot 15287 Tuesday, February 19, 2002 63 PCGS $96.60 Auction 68024, Lot 64616 Sunday, February 24, 2008 63 PCGS $97.75 Auction 25061, Lot 11520 Tuesday, June 7, 2005 63 PCGS $103.50 Auction 26042, Lot 11386 Tuesday, April 11, 2006 63 PCGS $103.50 Auction 65034, Lot 23494 Sunday, March 27, 2005 63 PCGS $115.00 Auction 26073, Lot 11802 Tuesday, July 18, 2006 63 PCGS $116.15 Auction 20025, Lot 4649 Tuesday, February 29, 2000 63 PCGS $45.00 Auction 20123, Lot 3484 Tuesday, December 19, 2000 63 PCGS $48.00 Auction 315, Lot 1260 Monday, March 3, 2003 63 PCGS $189.75 Auction 69034, Lot 64210 Sunday, March 22, 2009 63 PCGS $195.50 Auction 126, Lot 429 Friday, December 9, 1994 64 PCGS $198.00 Auction 373, Lot 1632 Monday, May 9, 2005 64 PCGS $230.00 Auction 1114, Lot 8784 Sunday, August 3, 2008 64 PCGS $230.00 Auction 405, Lot 8292 Monday, May 1, 2006 64 PCGS $178.25 Auction 24035, Lot 11505 Tuesday, March 30, 2004 64 PCGS $178.25 Auction 385, Lot 8982 Monday, September 26, 2005 64 PCGS $184.00 Auction 27043, Lot 13448 Tuesday, April 17, 2007 64 PCGS $184.00 Auction 28011, Lot 21303 Wednesday, January 2, 2008 64 PCGS $276.00 Auction 455, Lot 9348 Wednesday, January 16, 2008 64 PCGS $402.50 Auction 67091, Lot 24280 Sunday, September 2, 2007 64 PCGS $195.50 Auction 23061, Lot 13757 Tuesday, May 27, 2003 64 PCGS $120.75 Auction 154, Lot 297 Friday, April 26, 1996 64 PCGS $121.00 Auction 27114, Lot 13336 Tuesday, November 27, 2007 64 PCGS $172.50 Auction 167, Lot 831 Saturday, February 22, 1997 64 PCGS $176.00 Auction 21114, Lot 4279 Tuesday, November 27, 2001 64 PCGS $66.00 Auction 109, Lot 356 Friday, October 22, 1993 64 NGC $198.00 Auction 100, Lot 326 Wednesday, February 3, 1993 64 NGC $220.00 Auction 100, Lot 327 Wednesday, February 3, 1993 64 NGC $220.00 Auction 149, Lot 5660 Saturday, January 6, 1996 64 NGC $341.00 Auction 24091, Lot 13994 Tuesday, September 7, 2004 64 NGC $144.90 Auction 285, Lot 849 Sunday, February 24, 2002 64 NGC $155.25 Auction 24014, Lot 13824 Tuesday, January 27, 2004 64 NGC $135.70 Auction 68051, Lot 61615 Sunday, May 4, 2008 64 NGC $138.00 Auction 327, Lot 2294 Wednesday, August 6, 2003 64 NGC $120.75 Auction 65013, Lot 23345 Saturday, January 15, 2005 64 NGC $120.75 Auction 25023, Lot 11999 Tuesday, February 15, 2005 64 NGC $125.35 Auction 1122, Lot 8737 Sunday, February 8, 2009 64 NGC $126.50 Auction 26111, Lot 12221 Tuesday, November 7, 2006 64 NGC $126.50 Auction 22062, Lot 13267 Tuesday, June 11, 2002 64 NGC $89.70 Auction 356, Lot 1424 Monday, September 13, 2004 64 NGC $235.75 Auction 117, Lot 423 Friday, April 8, 1994 64 NGC $55.00 Auction 68101, Lot 62821 Sunday, October 5, 2008 64 ANACS $195.50 Auction 20054, Lot 4369 Tuesday, May 23, 2000 64 ANACS $60.00 Auction 28062, Lot 22725 Tuesday, June 10, 2008 64 ANACS $80.50 Auction 65054, Lot 23475 Sunday, May 22, 2005 64 ANACS $86.25 Auction 23083, Lot 11826 Tuesday, August 12, 2003 64 ANACS $111.55 Auction 1118, Lot 8283 Saturday, December 6, 2008 64 ANACS $126.50 Auction 27064, Lot 13307 Tuesday, June 26, 2007 64 ANACS $126.50 Auction 66122, Lot 24860 Sunday, December 10, 2006 64 NGC $92.00 Auction 22042, Lot 13685 Tuesday, April 9, 2002 64 NGC $93.15 Auction 65023, Lot 24864 Sunday, February 20, 2005 64 NGC $97.75 Auction 65042, Lot 23369 Sunday, April 10, 2005 64 NGC $97.75 Auction 180, Lot 327 Wednesday, January 7, 1998 64 NGC $99.00 Auction 202, Lot 502 Saturday, June 5, 1999 64 NGC $99.00 Auction 25051, Lot 13515 Tuesday, May 3, 2005 64 NGC $100.05 Auction 24102, Lot 11948 Tuesday, October 12, 2004 64 NGC $104.65 Auction 65052, Lot 23480 Sunday, May 8, 2005 64 NGC $105.80 Auction 20034, Lot 4458 Tuesday, March 28, 2000 64 NGC $110.00 Auction 24122, Lot 14139 Tuesday, December 14, 2004 64 NGC $115.00 Auction 108, Lot 1568 Friday, October 1, 1993 64 NGC $71.50 Auction 125, Lot 350 Wednesday, October 5, 1994 64 NGC $71.50 Auction 23072, Lot 11790 Tuesday, July 1, 2003 64 NGC $73.60


My guess is about $65 ??

Ruben

 

Auction 69034, Lot 64210 Sunday, March 22, 2009 63 PCGS $195.50
Auction 1110, Lot 6139 Sunday, June 29, 2008 63 PCGS $86.25
Auction 28112, Lot 22351 Tuesday, November 11, 2008 63 NGC $69.00
Auction 68112, Lot 62356 Sunday, November 9, 2008 63 NGC $64.00
Auction 28111, Lot 21381 Tuesday, November 4, 2008 63 NGC $74.75


Actually a bit more.

 

Thanks guys, I knew I could count on you!

Oh well, I only spent about $75 on it so I don't feel too burned.

I don't think I'll bother sending it off to PCGS just yet.

 

Looks nice, maybe 64ish or 65 in my opinion. CoinGrading.com has a nice definition of PL. I didn't copy it as it it a copywrited page.

 

I think that's a good deal. IMO this coin could go 65 which my book puts at around $150.

 

I think that is about right! I'd buy that for 75 dollars, especially with that terrific strike. The seller must have agreed with my grading.

Ruben

 

Look at some of those examples on that link from Heritage that I posted and look at those 63's, 64's and 65's

Ruben

 

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=65034&Lot_No=23494#Photo

 

Ruben, it's a 79-S .

I think the value is similar anyway...

(or maybe not, looks less than a 78-S)

 

Ah - I think you are caught me. I don't know how that happened?

Anyway

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=68024&Lot_No=64617#Photo

It seems to be a good 64 price but you have a very sharp - perhaps PL fields

Ruben

 

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=68102&Lot_No=61261

 

I really like the look of this coin, it's so much more beautiful than some of my others of a higher grade. Looking at those listings you linked, it seems all of the MS63 and 64 are just as great.

 

Yeah - I think it is a high level 63...

Ruben