:bigeyes: Here is a puzzler. What date would you say this is? What would this error be called? and what would it' s value be? I cant tell for sure but it looks like a D/? at the bottom. It also shows a error in beard. Found this in a roll of wheaties I just bought for .06 cents. I never seen anything like this.
It's a 1944-P Lincoln Cent It's a 1944-P Lincoln Cent. We see all kinds of small die breaks, die marks, extra metal and such but after you look at a few 1,000,000 coins you will see what is really "an error" and what is not - keep searching! Remember - the goal is "look close enough at real errors and varieties but not to close at everything else".
Okay i understand that. But to me that 3 in the first 4 would be an error would it not? Maybe my picture isnt that great but i can clearly see it when i examine the coin. Minus all the "extra metal", die breaks, and lamination.. I do believe there is an error in that date.
I still am disagreeing with damage during circulation, only because the mark I indicate as the three is not indented, rather it is stamped as the 1,9,4,4 is. Part of the 4 is missing and part of it is attached to the other. I really wish you could see it in person, you would have different judgement. I just dont see how that 3 or partial three can be mistaken for circulation damage. I may not be an expert, but I am not blind either. The other things may be damage during circulation. There is doubling in LIBERTY however and in the 9 and 4.
Here I would guess this is metal pushed around post-mint. One thing to know is that after 1908, all cents had the complete date on the hub--repunched dates and overdates could not happen as earlier. And to my knowledge, there is no verified case of a cent die of one date double-hubbed with a later date (as happened to the two dies for 1942/1 dimes). Perhaps Mr. Foundinrolls can explain this with more accuracy.
Everyone is right I am giving up on this coin. Not worth all this hassle. I have other coins in far better condition to deal with. Thanks to everyone who has given advice, didnt mean to sound like I was stepping on toes. Ill just throw it in my junk coin stash. I guess " Mr.FoundinRolls" will be a little more careful next time posting a coin on here.
But I do see that I havent gotten much on my othercois on here. The state quarter ddo and the 41 nickel...probably junk too
I didn't mean to sound sarcastic, sorry! Here I was referring to another member who's very helpful/knowledgeable on Lincoln cents: Bill aka "Foundinrolls". :smile
Hey gevans, I know you can get very fluster when you think or know that you have an error and everyone is telling you that it is not. But don't let that stop you from posting any coin that you have a question on. Coin collecting is an on going process of gaining knowledge and no one is an complete expert on every coin. The best advice that I can give is to read up on the type of coins that interest you and what type of errors those coins have. Good Luck and keep posting.
Please re-read and think about it. Remember - the goal is "look close enough at real errors and varieties but not to close at everything else". I really have looked at hundreds of thousand Lincoln Wheat cents. I am an expert on Lincoln's and die varieties of such. Now I don't know a thing about mathematics but Lincoln's I do know - sometimes you just have to rely on others for the truth. There is nothing wrong with finding a coin and asking about it on here(Coin Talk). I respect a man (or woman) who asks and support you trying to find errors and varieties but I also respect a man (or woman) that "knows when to hold em, and knows when to fold em". Keep searching!!!!
Hey foundinrolls..i apologize..i thought i was being called "mr.foundinrolls" jokingly by another member. I wasnt aware there was someone that actually had that screen name. Sorry about that.
Hi, No Problemo I kinda figured that was the case I think what they were explaining could be a book so I'll try to encapsulate it a little bit. This is going to be very general with a lot of steps left out. Things called hubs, that look like coins on the end of a chunk of steel are used to make dies. In 1909 (one or two exceptions in 1909 on a gold coin, for example) or so all hubs had full dates on them. That means that when a die is made, the full date is on the die right from the very beginning. They didn't add single digits to a die. The 1943/1942 P nickel and the 1942/1941 P and D dimes, for example were not instances where a single number was punched in over another single number. They were instances where two completely different dated hubs were used to create dies. They are technically doubled dies with full dates and details involved, one on top of another. Because the process uses full dates, there would have to be an instance where a 1934 hub would have to be used in conjunction with a 1944 hub to produce what you think you have. In an abbreviated form, leaving out a ton of detail, it just doesn't happen that way. Therefore there is no way to have a 3 under the 4. It's not possible. What is possible is damage that causes our eyes to think that we are really looking at something else. It happens all the time. A classic example would be 1940 cents that have been damaged by coin rolling and counting machines that damaged the 0 making the thing look like a 1941 over a 1940. It doesn't exist although we can easily imagine it to be the case when we see a coin with a damaged digit. As I said, I left out a ton of detail pertaining to master hubs, master dies, working hubs, working dies and more but this gives you the general gyst of the thing I hope this helps. have Fun, Bill Have Fun, Bill
