Atention dansco 7000 Users

Glad to hear my staff is giving out the correct information. Please keep in mind that, while the pages are vinyl, as long as you use archival-grade 2x2 coin flips in the pockets, you shouldn't have any problems.

 

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Unfortunately this may not help. Remember that it is not the PCV that creates problems but the gasses that leak out of the substance. Not to go into the formulae of PVC since it has been done to much already, but if those same gasses are constantly in the presence of coins, eventually they will get to them. Unless of course the plastic flips of cardboard flips are sealed completely. And, if in an Album, much less places for the escaping gasses to go.
However, I did notice you stated SHOULDN'T have any problems.

 

I just did the same thing. Amazing how many different warnings are out there about PVC in your shower curtains. Guess I just found a Walmart that has somehow found a way to hide those smells.

So now here is my question. If you wrap a coin in a shower curtain that contains PVC, will that coin also end up smelling like a shower curtain?
If I turn green from taking a shower should I stop using that shower? :goofer:

 

Absolutly.....!!

 

Yeah. The point I was making was simply that a lack of a shower curtain smell doesn't neccessarily mean there is no PVC.

 

I ran into a similar problem when storing slides from professional photos I took of racing yachts, back in the early 80's. I also stored 2x2's containing coins in such album/notebook pages. By 2000, most of the pages had all stuck together, semi-permanently. I think it's simply from lack of ventilation and page-to-page contact. I think a lot of it is caused by the gases released through time, that do not get dispersed by ventilation. Coin pages were affected less than those holding slides, because those pages were not opened and ventilated. And I even ran my finger down inside the pockets to wipe them and air the pocket out a bit. VEntilation and non-contact are key, imho.

It's likely that older plastic 2x2 pages will smell like that eventually. In 10-20 years, they will begin to stick together and feel gummy, and it won't come off. Most any soft vinyl like that has plasticizers, but it did not seem to affect my coins in 2x2's at all.

Still, I replace the pages about every five years or so. I don't like the gooey stuff that would eventually form if left longer.

I would not store a coin in a vinyl flip for any extended period, especially with coin in direct contact with the flip. I think they are fine for short term storage and shipping, and there's no question that the cushy vinyl flips have a superior 'feel.'

I'm not surprised that dealers sell pages and flips with PVC in them. They also sell coin darkeners, brighteners, dips, and other cleaning supplies, because folks buy them. They do not care at all if you ruin your coins. There are plenty more where those came from, and every coin you destroy with even mild cleaning is okay with them, and makes all other uncleaned coins that much scarcer. If you bought the coin from them and you touch it, they will pay you less than you might otherwise expect. They know what they sold you. ; )

Almost every method of cleaning will remove DNA from a coin. In the next 100 years, the DNA from old uncleaned coins will prove links to many ancestors. Coins so linked may become very valuable. Imagine me calling you and explaining that I can prove your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather owned a particular coin that I had. The right, uncleaned Lincoln cent might be worth millions.

That's one reason the most important aspect of coin collecting is developing the ability to distinguish cleaned coins and avoid them. The other reason is a simple matter of honesty. Please don't tell us that nobody ever told you not to clean your coins. Remember, you were warned, long ago. Perhaps I can reinforce that notion today.

Lots of folks like to clean their coins and think they do no harm. But you see, that is just THEIR UNINFORMED OPINION. I am estimating that 80-90% of coins with uncleaned verdigris also bear DNA traces of users from the past.

The finest coin collectors are stewards that preserve the surface condition of their coins as they receive them.

It's one thing to hold a coin in your hand and think that Julius Caesar may have held it in his hand; it will be another thing to be able to prove it. : )

Let me close this post with a couple of important terms: 'surfaces in original condition' and 'coin has never been cleaned.' Experts can always determine that.

And how about, 'a dipped coin is a cleaned coin,' and 'cleaned coins have altered surfaces.'

 

What is the real difference between great collections and the norm? Here's my answer that has nothing to do with grade or eye appeal, or even issue:

Amateurs buy cleaned coins; that's how they get sold.

Few discriminating buyers will ever purchase a cleaned or otherwise altered coin knowingly. The wisest collectors (of anything) always seek "original condition."

DNA analysis of coins may still be some distance in the future, but spectrographic analysis and several other non-destructive methods exist. Imagine analyzing a coin and finding SOAP or acetone, or alcohol, or seeing the rivers and valleys caused by dipping which causes a combination of corrosion and erosion.

Imagine taking a dingy, dirty Morgan Dollar and dipping it, then selling it to an amateur for $1,700, knowing they will NEVER recoup their "investment" unless selling it to someone less knowing than themself.

 

Hi Larry! Great posts!

I sure wish you posted here more often.

Please don't be a stranger...Mike

 

Thanks, Mike. I guess you collect U.S. Type. Is that right?

I have been spending a lot of time preparing the space for a new Civil War Token Club.

 

But it seems like to me, the generation of today is lacking the sincerity of preserving a total original coin, and cleaning them for better appearance is what they want.
Kinda like keeping my old Chevy truck and car like when Granpa used to drive them.......most don't have a clue or care about our heritage of the past.
Just my opinion ...

 

Here's a raw, yet original coin, finely struck, now in AU condition; I'd guess AU-55. It's worth much more to my collection than a weakly struck MS-65.

It has great eye appeal, its luster is still amazing with toned patina developing. It has not been abused nor cleaned, ever; I can see that. Every mark seems minor and natural, the single spot at 7:00 on the obverse bothers me little, and there is a small bag mark and an even smaller one in the feathers of the eagle. But check out the talons, for example.

I hope you agree. It arrived today and fills a hole that has been waiting a long time. I have been very patient on this issue, this time around. This AU-55 example cost $24.50 plus $2 shipping. I entered a much higher bid but got lucky. Seller's photos were adequate but didn't show what I see now. My lighting may have accentuated the toning a bit. : )



NOTE: If you have a high-res monitor you can this image, then zoom this up to your screen's width and it will maintain its integrity pretty well. I think some 72 dpi monitors and displays can do that but I don't know if the results will be satisfactory. Maybe somebody can tell me how it looks when you zoom in with your computer. The technologies that have combined for us to share our photos have advanced a lot in the past ten years, even the last five.

 

What does that have to do with Dansco's? And you're totally wrong about the new generation.....especially the one that frequents here in these forums.

 

And doing a great job at it too! Thanks Larry

 

Don't let the Steve name fool you. I deal alot with Dell. I called recently regarding a server hardware issue and was greeted with a gentleman from India who introduced himself as Jim. When he was gathering my information he asked me my first name to which I replied JIM. He then proceeded to ask me how to spell it. SOoooooooooo, I told him just like yours. G-Y-M.

 

There ya have it boys...another leader in Numismatics industry acknowledging that they use PVC in their products.
Sickening...just sickening...

 

For the record, the name Steve at Dansco is a real Steve. We've been dealing with Dansco for many years and Steve is one of our primary contacts.

Understanding that, with the exception of the Dansco 7000 and 7001, all other albums are NOT designed to use vinyl pages, and use mylar (archival grade) row slides. Since the 7000 is designed to hold 2x2's, you need to put the coin in archival grade coin flips before you insert them into the pockes of the 7000 page. As far as the 7001, you need to use archival grade currency sleeves before inserting the currency into that album.

I spoke with my staff this morning to thank them for providing the correct information to our customers when they call.

--Andrew
Brent-Krueger LLC

 

Sounds like you suspect to many people have not seen the Antique Road Show on TV. There they constantly mention that cleaning ANY old item may well ruin it.

 

True and true and true and true.
And I've met some kids that appear to know more about coins than many, many adults. One writes columns for coin magazines and is only a teenager.

 

I feel there is a certain group of our older collectors that generalize us younger collectors. I am used to it and try often to prove them wrong. I am one of the biggest opponents of coin cleaning on cointalk. I also have a nicely restored Chevy in perfect working order for the record!

 

You tell 'em quartertapper.