Question about grading standards for Proof Morgans

I use CAC regularly. I just emailed Michelle @ the CAC office this question, waiting for a response.

 

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False and this has been discussed extensively on the PCGS/CU forum. They ignore the + the designation is not ignored

Or you could actually call them and ask as opposed to posting a couple pictures you disagree with

 

i am sorry, but you misunderstand, as it applies to my opinion.
your very first paragraph is exactly my point.

as are your follow on paragraphs. you may disagree, and that is of course fine. however, cac has, in the particular venue of morgan and peace $, caused tpgs to evaluate their submittals a bit more closely. the tpgs have a vested interest in the designations assigned....registry.

i do not grade from photos. never have, and since i can not view your examples in hand, and i do not know your level of grading expertise, i will defer to john's opinion.

did you know that you can call john, and he will go over the coin and attributes, etc.? did you do so?

and i am sure that you know and agree that 90% of the grade is the obverse, especially with morgan and peace dollars.

 

I’d like to say...that...ahem...I WAS WRONG. COMPLETELY. I apologize. baseball21 you WERE COMPLETELY CORRECT.

The CAC employee I emailed responded:

“We do take into consideration the designation when evaluating a coin.

We do not take the "+" into consideration when evaluating, just the numeric grade.”


So, just when I thought I’d figured out a little bit of how CAC works from my experience, nope. Back to square one. Today I learned. SORRY AGAIN.

Cheers all.

 

This was one of the BEST posts on Morgans and grading/designations I have ever read. One of the best posts with great explanations and pics.

Thanks for chiming in, DMPL !!

 

Glad you enjoyed, too bad I was dead wrong in regards to CAC (see above)!

 

Which explains why older AU-58's (and even modern AU-58's) sometimes look better than modern (or older) low-60's MS coins.

Insider, I realize that it was never 100% quantified what are the maximum bagmarks/dings that a coin can have for a certain grade, but if it was understood 30 years ago that a Superb Gem (MS-67) could not have more than 3 bagmarks and today you can have up to 5, that is something we can easily point to. Unfortunately, it's not that clear-cut.

 

That’s always been the case and the result of a faulty grading scale that puts two separate scales on top of each other

 

So BB21 is correct.....they take into account the GRADE NUMBER and DESIGNATION but not "+" or "*".