What a Difference a picture makes! Moster Rainbow Sac Dollar!

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2000 P SAC RAINBOWhttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m264/TonedCoinTrader/?action=view&current=DSCN6871.flv[/urL]


Here is what it Truly looks like in hand! No photo shopping other than cropping/resize...

This one deserves a trip to NGC for a Star!

 

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Please post the EXITF information from this capture.

The reason I ask is that a) the color still looks oversaturated/unnatural (and may be caused by your camera setup), and b) the red channel has been blown causing the photo to look unnaturally bright (and causing a loss of detail).

Respectfully...Mike

p.s. regardless of the above, that's a cool coin and one you don't find attractively toned very often! Thanks for sharing!

 

Hi Mike,

I don't know? I don't mess with the camera I just point and shoot.

The Colors are Very Bright!

I use 2 OTT lights.

Scott

 

Scott, I know you don't that's why I asked for the EXITF -- because I suspect the issue I'm referring to is in the camera itself. You can use Photoshop to display the EXITF info, or something like Opanda:

http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/

One of these days I'm going to have to buy one of your coins so I have an in-hand example of what I'm referring to....

Take care...Mike

p.s. I'll be back shortly to explain the blown red channel comment....

 

i dont collect toned coins but they are a great conversation piece

 

Here's a picture of the histogram for your photo:



Notice the red color in the graph -- all off to the right side of the graph and -- that's showing how the red channel is blown (i.e. there's red channel data that is above FF / 255 in value). This causes the channel to be clipped, and the colors come out odd looking.

Here's a shot with the histogram only showing the red channel:



See how it's "right leaning" and "going off the right side of the graph"? That's the red channel being clipped.

Dialing back the exposure and/or trying to even out the lighting will likely solve this problem -- however I suspect the photograph won't be as dramatic as a result.

All that said, the red channel being clipped is only part of the problem -- which is why I've asked for the EXITF. I think there's something going on with the saturation in-camera.

Respectfully...Mike

 

I Downloaded the opanda and dragged the picture in now what info did you need?

 

Once you have the photo loaded, just click the EXITF button and cut&paste the info.

Depending on your camera type and what steps you use in post-processing, your JPG file may not have all the capture information (many photo editing packages strip this info). So, you may have to go to something like Nikon Capture (or Canon's editor) to get the rest of the setting information.

But just post what you get there for now, and I'll let you know if that's sufficient. Thanks...Mike

 

[Image]
Image Description =
Make = NIKON
Model = E7600
Orientation = top/left
X Resolution = 300
Y Resolution = 300
Resolution Unit = inch
Software = Adobe Photoshop 7.0
Date Time = 2009-03-09 13:53:53
YCbCr Positioning = co-sited
Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 228

[Camera]
Exposure Time = 1/270"
F Number = F2.8
Exposure Program = Normal program
ISO Speed Ratings = 50
Exif Version = Version 2.2
Date Time Original = 2009-03-08 22:38:19
Date Time Digitized = 2009-03-08 22:38:19
Components Configuration = YCbcr
Compressed Bits Per Pixel = 2
Exposure Bias Value = ±0EV
Max Aperture Value = F2.83
Metering Mode = Pattern
Light Source = unknown
Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Focal Length = 7.8mm
User Comment =
Flashpix Version = Version 1.0
Color Space = sRGB
Exif Image Width = 500
Exif Image Height = 500
File Source = DSC
Scene Type = A directly photographed image
Custom Rendered = Normal process
Exposure Mode = Auto exposure
White Balance = Manual white balance
Digital Zoom Ratio =
Focal Length In 35mm Film = 38mm
Scene Capture Type = Normal
Gain Control = None
Contrast = Normal
Saturation = Normal
Sharpness = Normal
Subject Distance Range = unknown

[Thumbnail Info]
Compression = JPEG Compressed (Thumbnail)
X Resolution = 72
Y Resolution = 72
Resolution Unit = inch
JPEG Interchange Format = Offset: 946
JPEG Interchange Format Length = Length: 8824

[Thumbnail]
Thumbnail = 128 x 128

 

Fascinating and confusing at the same time!

I can see nothing in your setup that would lead to the odd saturation (like a color space translation or saturation/contrast setting). Furthermore, the E7600 doesn't saturate colors naturally (like all Nikons they tend to err on the accuracy side).

Did you take the photo in JPG to begin with or RAW -- I see the JPG save was done in Photoshop, but did any conversion occur prior to that, or does your camera save JPG files, which you imported into Photoshop then just cropped/resized the photo?

Thanks for taking the time to post this info -- as you might have guessed, this issue has been eating at me for some time....Mike

 

The camera always saves everything in jpg form

 

You guys confuse me with your tech talk.
BTW are you sure that is NT?

 

I'll say that I'm sure enough that this coin is NT I will be sending it to NGC Very soon and will post the grade as soon as I learn it.

 

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Man how am I supposed to look at that sacagawea $ when there is a nice toned morgan in a PCGS holder next to it?

BTW that isnt an O mint morgan is it?

 

Not looking to offend anyone - just my personal opinion - neither picture did a thing for me. Of course toning is a personal choice and I am sure the coin looks better in hand. Be interesting to see what NGC does for the grade. Please follow up and let us know.

Thanks

 

Lol,

No the PCGS morgan is an 1885 P

The NGC is an 1885 O

 

The mail man Just picked up the package to NGC

 

Leadfoot,
Couldn't the answer that you're looking for be packaged in that "manual white balance" entry from the EXIF? As he stated, he just "points and shoots". With that little nugget of information.. I would have expected the white balance to be set to "auto".

bryan

 

Bryan, That's an astute observation, and yes it could be...but I doubt it. White balance changes the (relative) values of the RGB channels, but it doesn't change the saturation -- and it is the saturation that looks odd to my eye...Mike

p.s. I suspect he has a custom white balance and that's what the setting you allude to is signifying, perhaps TCT could fill us in on how he's doing white balance.