Where did the silver & gold for early American coinage come from?

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  1. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    Sometimes the more you dig into the origins of gold, the more you realize how tainted this metal is. Take for instance California gold rush and Perry expedition.

    Gold is one metal that I personally do not like hanging onto for various ethical reasons. Blood is one, environmental damage is another.
     
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  3. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    Your question is a bit ambiguous so let me answer the most literal part of the question first: "Where did the MINT get the gold and silver to mint coins?"

    The answer is that all the gold and silver used to mint early US coins came from private persons and banks/trading companies. The U.S. Treasury had not funds nor statutory authority to purchase gold and silver supplies for the purpose of minting coinage. In fact, the early statutes laid out specifics for how the Mint was supposed to provide coinage in exchange for bullion deposits.

    The second aspect of your question has been largely already addressed by prior posters - basically, the gold and silver came from every imaginable source between mine and commerce.
     
  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Out of the ground. Where else does gold and silver come from? Actually a lot of the gold and silver was traded for. And the metals were also found in the US.
     
  5. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    "The story is told of the power of gold
    And its lure on the unsuspecting
    It glitters and shines
    It badgers and blinds
    And constantly needs protecting"

    - Dan Fogelberg
     
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  6. Numiser

    Numiser Well-Known Member

    Jerry Harrison put out a CD called Casual Gods.
    The cover artwork shows an interesting way of getting gold from the ground.

    Jerry-Harrison-Casual-Gods.jpg

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  7. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Ouch! I’m feeling bad owning gold.
    But the pain will pass
     
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  8. 2x2 $averKrazy

    2x2 $averKrazy Hopelessly coined in

    Rustlers Rhapsody with Tom Berenger had a cool dancing horse in it wasn't the Carson City mint opened cause of the Comstock load ? And San Francisco because of the 49er gold rush ?
     
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  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    It has long been rumored that Martha Washington’s silverware was donated toward the making of the 1792 half disme.
     
  10. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Pick a year and read the mint director's report - it shows what they bought in and often the sources.

    Before California and the Yukon, Gold came from the Carolinas and Georgia - that's why they opened mints in Charlotte and Dalonega.
     
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  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Dup, so...

    The story about Martha Washington's silver has been thoroughly debunked. Not a milligram of truth.

    The silver came from Thomas Jefferson. The Mint was one of the ancillary responsibilities that Washington divided up among the cabinet and TJ got the mint.

    The reason nobody had found the proof until recently turns out because the mint wasn't very important. Thomas noted the deposit of the 175 Spanish (probably Mexican) Silver dollars in his daybook (of accounts).

    He picked them up and departed for an 11 day trip to Monticello and noted spending the first that night as a tip for the porter at the inn. It has to be at least one of the half dismes because there's no way he could have tipped 30 cents using Spanish 1, 2, 4 or 8 reales and cut up bits of same. Would have been 25c or 37 1/2c.
     
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  12. 2x2 $averKrazy

    2x2 $averKrazy Hopelessly coined in

    Didn't that have something to do with why we have quarters something about the division of the pieces of eight
     
  13. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Yes. If you didn't have the smaller coins, the larger one could be cut up.

    8 reales = $1

    4 reales = 50c

    2 reales = 25c

    1 reale = 12.5c (also called a bit)

    1/2 reale = 6.25c

    1/4 reale = 3.125c

    Thus the half dismes at 5c were an innovation.


    Very few of the cut up coins are genuine- they were melted and turned into Federal coinage over the years.

    It's not unti the coinage act of 1857 that the Treasury was stopped from paying foreign coins back out.

    That law also mandated the director of the mint report yearly on the coins and fineness still in circulation. So those reports give a view into what was money before it all became US coins.
     
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  14. 2x2 $averKrazy

    2x2 $averKrazy Hopelessly coined in

    This the expression 2 bits for quarter,,,,,,,,,makes me wanna get a shave and a hair cut lol!!!
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    This is the answer. Metals for coinage were deposited with the mint by private individuals. And it wasn't just the US mint who did this, all mints did this from the very beginning of minting.

    And for those who don't realize it, the laws allowing private individuals to deposit gold and silver with the US Mint for coining still exist - and the laws are current.
     
  16. Corn Man

    Corn Man Well-Known Member

    Yeah alot of silver was mined in mexico and other spanish colonies. The us used reales as for a time before 1857
     
  17. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Most came from foreign and mostly mexican coins.
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I’m hoping for a definitive answer But. Not sure if all your gonna get is a guess
     
  19. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Any good women would give up material things for her man. You guys know that.
     
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  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    How you feel about diamonds
     
  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Not sure I got that?
     
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