Anything unusual about this coin?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by arnoldoe, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

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    Not my coin.. but I discovered some things about this coin that sold at an auction a few years ago,

    anyone see anything unusual?
     
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  3. Railguy

    Railguy Well-Known Member

    Need a few more rowers.extra oars.theyre going the the wrong way.lol
     
  4. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

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    here's another coin with, which was only listed at CNG as
    " Some signs of smoothing, edge marks"
    + previously sold by Roma Numismatics "obv. field smoothed before portrait."


    what else was done to it? (I have before pics of both coins)
     
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  5. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    A little tooling of the hair and ear, perhaps?
     
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  6. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member

    Not sure what was done to it, but while looking at pictures, I found this Severus that has a very similar reverse. My eye is inexperienced, but it looks like the same person cut both dies, although the lion head is a bit different.

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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Casting bubbles?
    "AVGVSTOR"?
     
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  8. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Augustor(um) is, of course, the genitive plural of Augustus and presumably meaning, with adventus, the arrival of the emperors. Were there two or more Augusti at the time the coin was minted?
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Indeed -- they happen to be the exact same reverse die. They are reverse die matches.
     
  10. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member


    I thought so at first as well, but after spending waaaaay too long looking at the images, the lion's head is different and the spacing on the As are different as well. Still, remarkable consistency from the die cutter.

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  11. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Wow, you guys sure know your ancients. Another lesson learned, thanks.
     
  12. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    I agree with Roman Collector: same rev. die. So the lion's head on one of the coins must either have been recut in the die at the mint, or else altered by a modern tooler.

    I don't see anything unusual on the ADVENTVS aureus above. Why not let us know what you found so we can comment if appropriate?
     
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  13. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Both coins have repaired holes, done really well though.
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  14. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Goodness. Never would have spotted that.
     
  15. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member


    Very interesting! The hole is exactly where the lion's head and the A spacing is. Perhaps this is a die match afterall?
     
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  16. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    yes
     
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  17. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I would NEVER have spotted that. How did you come by the before pics? Did you used to own these coins?
     
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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Ah!! Look, the lion's face was altered by a hole with subsequent repair and they were die-matches after all!
     
  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Hole or no hole, the galley obverse is a legend more appropriately used as a reverse with a regular obverse for Septimius or Julia.
     
  20. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member


    Indeed, from now on, if I encounter a coin that looks like a die match except for one section, I am going to guess that it's probably been repaired in some way
     
  21. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    About the OP coin with the galley, the auction house wrote in the description "Minor traces of mounting, otherwise, good very fine". I would be curious to know where you got the pictures with the hole and if they can be dated in time. Did the auction house knew about it ?
     
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