Trajanence of Arabia/ You wouldn't like Trajan when he's angry

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Just won this beauty and don't have it in hand but am having a hard time differentiating the RIC.
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    Trajan (98-117), Sestertius, Rome 103-111. AE (g 24,85; mm 32 gr). IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P COS V P P, Laureate bust r., slight drapery on l. shoulder, Rv. OPTIMO PRINCIPI ARAB ADQVISIT, Arabia standing facing, head l., holding branch and bundle of cinnamon sticks(?); camel at her feet to l., S - C. RIC 466 (?)

    T-rage is not so lean but plenty mean and very green. I am itching to see this patina in hand.
    The coin was recently unearthed in the Normandy department of France.
    Here he is just after being dug up...
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    Please share your Trajans, recently unearthed coins, opinions and anything else that you think SMASHES!
     
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  3. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    A very appealing coin, and I love that color!

    Here's my Trajan camel coin:

    Trajan AR Drachm, 115-Feb. 116 AD [before granting of Parthia title], Arabia Bostra (or Rome*) Mint. Obv. Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Trajan right, with paludamentum, seen from rear, AYTOKP KAIC NЄP TPAIANѠ APICTѠ CƐB ΓƐPM ΔAK [equivalent of IMP CAES NER TRAIANO OPTIMO AVG GERM DAC] / Rev. Bactrian (two-humped) camel, walking left, ΔHMAPX ЄΞ YΠATO ς [equivalent of TR P COS VI (sixth consulship)]. RPC [Roman Provincial Coinage] Vol. III 4076 (2015); RPC Online at https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?volume_id=3&number=4076, SNG ANS VI 1158; Sydenham 205 [E. Sydenham, The Coinage of Caesarea in Cappadocia (1933)]. 19 mm., 3.10 g. Purchased from Kenneth W. Dorney. (Coin is double die match to Roma Numismatics Auction, May 21, 2013, Lot 767 [https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=474&lot=767]; image of that coin is reproduced as Plate 14, No. 7 in Woytek & Butcher article cited in note below.)

    Trajan - Drachm, Arabia Bostra, Camel reverse - jpg version.jpg

    * See Bernhard E. Woytek and Kevin Butcher, The Camel Drachms of Trajan in Context: Old Problems and a New Overstrike, The Numismatic Chronicle Vol. 175 (2015), pp. 117-136 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/43859784).
     
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  4. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Congratulations, Ryro. A big, green giant of combat may be good to have handy. :)

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    Trajan AD 98-117. Cappadocia. Caesarea. AR Drachm

    Obverse: ΑΥΤΟΚΡ ΚΑΙϹ ΝΕΡ ΤΡΑΙΑΝΟϹ ϹΕΒ ΓΕΡΜ ΔΑΚ; laureate head of Trajan, r., drapery on l. shoulder
    Reverse: ΔΗΜΑΡΧ ΕΞ ΥΠΑΤΟ Ϛ; club, handle at bottom
    Reference: S 216, Weiser 65, Paris Hoard 91–93, Metcalf Conspectus 69a, Ganschow 137a
    Specimens: 5 in RPC
    Diameter: 18 mm Weight: 3,07g Conservation: VF



    I think the club here fits in well with your theme. I got this one this fall, and am quite happy with it too. Not sure if it’s recently unearthed, but it may well be.
     
  5. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    I have an as and a denarius of Trajan featuring Arabia with her camel and precious cinnamon. THE SPICE MUST FLOW!
    Trajan Arabia.jpg Trajan Arabia denarius.jpg
     
  6. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

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  7. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    Nice pickup @Ryro! I definitely need to add one of his issues with an Arabia/camel reverse type. Here’s my big green Trajan bronze. I always enjoy his incredibly long obverse legends.

    CF213CA3-EB87-49F9-8FE0-D35C417AC04A.jpeg Trajan, AE Dupondius, circa 105-111, (28mm., 13.22g.) Radiate head right/ Rev. Trophy of arms, two shields at base; S-C across fields. RIC 586.
     
  8. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Another showstopper from Donna:wideyed::artist:
    That camel on your coin literally and metaphorically traveled through a couple millennia and is still trucking:smuggrin:
    Plus it reminds me of the hump day camel:shame:
    It still makes me laugh.
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    TRAIANUS

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    Roman Empire
    Arabia Petraea, Bostra.
    Trajan. A.D. 98-117.
    AR Drachm (18.57 mm, 2.92 g, 8 h). Struck A.D. 114-116.
    AYTOKP KAIC NEP TPAIANω APICTω CЄB ΓЄPM ΔAK, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind /
    ΔHMAPX EΞ UPATO ς, Camel walking left.
    SNG ANS 1158; SNG von Aulock 6408; Sydenham, Caesarea 205. VF.
    Ex: Harlan J. Berk.
    Ex: Agora


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    Roman Empire
    Trajan
    Egypt
    AE Dichalkon
    Laureate hd L
    Rhinoceros walking L LI-Z yr 17 CE 113-114
    12.9mm 1.25g
    Emmet 719 var. rhino right
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    When I think of Trajan and a club, I must think of my as showing the club of Hercules resting on a lion skin.
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  11. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice looking Trajan camel, Ryro.

    A while back I got a camel sestertius - it is in such terrible shape I was not able to fully attribute it, but while researching it, I was surprised to see how many varieties there were.

    Using OCRE, I came up with four possibilities - hope that helps with yours (see below):

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    Trajan Æ Sestertius
    (103-111/112-114 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    [IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TRP COS V (VI) PP], laureate bust r., slight drapery on left shoulder / SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI, S-C, ARAB [ADQ (ADQVIS)] in ex,Arabia standing, camel left.
    (21.42 grams / 31 x 28 mm)

    Attribution Notes:

    Four possibilities, Arabia type with slightly draped bust:

    RIC 465: COS V ARAB ADQ
    RIC 466: COS V ARAB ADQVIS
    RIC 610: COS VI ARAB ADQ
    RIC 614: COS VI ARAB ADQVIS
     
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  12. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    I wonder if @curtislclay might offer his guidance.
    I've had one coin with a new obverse and fairly wonderful reverse from this seller. Thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
     
  13. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    I have wondered if the Greeks put reverses like that on the coins to communicate that «this is what you guys are all about».
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I never thought of it that way. To me it is more like a peaceful person walking alone at night being less at ease than one accompanied by his friend the bodybuilder. Hercules made a good companion.
     
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  16. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Aside from the Hercules coins of Commodus, are you able to recall any Roman issues with this reverse type?
     
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  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    .kool coin Ryro..my Trajan/Arabic coin is now the property of @John Anthony ..(maybe he'll show it) :)
     
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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice looking coin, @Ryro, with a real nice patina!

    A denarius with a similar reverse:

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    Trajan, AD 98-117.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.35 g, 18.3 mm, 7 h.
    Rome, AD 103-111.
    Obv: IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P, laureate bust, right, with drapery on left shoulder.
    Rev: COS V P P S P Q R OPTIMO PRINC, Arabia, draped, standing left, holding branch in right hand over camel walking left before her and a bundle of canes (?) in left hand.
    Refs: RIC 142; BMCRE 297-299; Cohen 89; Sear --; ERIC II 400.
     
  19. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    Trajan Ar Denarius 110 AD Obv Bust right laureate Aegis on far shoulder. Rv Arabia standing left camel standing before her. RIC 142v Woytec 285 c 3.41 grms 18 mm Photo by W Hansen trajand35.jpeg When I bought this coin the variety with the aegis was unknown. Later when I got Woytek's book on Trajan I found that it was known by 12 examples. Though there are probably more.
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  20. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Nice green on that sestertius @Ryro! Here is a coin that the seller had as Trajan but is actually Claudius.


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    Phrygia, Synnada. Claudius AE18
    Obv: ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΝ ΚΑΙϹΑΡΑ ϹΥΝΝΑΔΙϹ; laureate head of Claudius, r.
    Rev: ƐΠΙ ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΥ ΑΝΔΡΑΓΑΘΟΥ (ΦΙΛΟΚΑΙϹΑΡΟϹ); Zeus seated, l., with Nike and sceptre.
    Magistrate:Klaudios Andragathos
     
  21. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    The Arabia with camel type is special amongst the many "someone standing there"-reverses. Mine unfortunately has an ugly scratch. I nonetheless like it:
    Rom – Trajan, Denar, Arabia und Kamel.png
    Trajan, Roman Empire, denarius, 103–111 AD, Rome mint. Obv: [IMP TRAI]ANO AVG GER DAC P M TR P; bust of Trajan, laureate, r. Rev: CO[S V P P S P Q ]R OPTIMO PRINC, Arabia standing l., holding branch in r. hand and a bundle of cinnamon sticks in l., camel at feet to l. 17mm, 3.07g. Ref: RIC II Trajan 142 (denarius).
     
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