1985 P Cent - Doubling or damage? Help!

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Jeff Callahan, Jan 9, 2021.

  1. Jeff Callahan

    Jeff Callahan Active Member

    Is that better @paddyman98?

    Not sure about this one either. Looks like just damage to me, but what I have read tells me that it could be Abrasion Doubling too. Which is it and how can you tell? Thanks



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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    cropped-letting-go-open-hands.jpg I think it's normal wear tear =Damage .
     
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  4. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Jeff, as mentioned before, you should also include full photos of Obv. & Rev. This usually allows better responses.
     
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  5. Jeff Callahan

    Jeff Callahan Active Member


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  6. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    It's a Zincoln. Deterioration is normal and often times very quick. Keep up the good search, we are here to help and be helped. Keep posting, success is just a matter of time, good luck.
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It has a little damage but most of what you see atecthe earlier stages of a worn die producing a zinc Cent.
     
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  8. CaptainMac

    CaptainMac Gotta Love Those Errors and Varieties!

    Hello Jeff. From what I have seen, you seem very interested into hunting for coin varieties, especially doubled dies. I am the same way, and I want to offer a source if you haven't been using it. If you don't know who John Wexler is, he is very well known in the coin hobby, especially in the varieties field. His website has more doubled die varieties than you could dream of, and more are submitted for attribution onto his site regularly!
    https://www.doubleddie.com/1801.html
    He also goes into depth on the different classes of doubled dies, as well as worthless doubling. Other types of varieties are also discussed, but I'll let you look into those. You'll be surprised with how many different varieties are out there!
    I always have this site up when I go through a box of coins or any coinage. CopperCoins and Variety Vista are two other sources that are very useful for variety hunting!
     
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  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    No, that didn't happen at the Mint.

    Funny. If I might, back in the day, we didn't start off collecting coins by looking for irregularities at the quantum level. Instead, we bought a Red Book, learned a thing or two about the hobby, such as grading, handling, attributes, things attendant to every hobby, really, errors being just a secondary or collateral component of same. That is to say, and just take this as an observation, rather than a condemnation, but oh crap, how times have changed!
     
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  10. Jeff Callahan

    Jeff Callahan Active Member


    Thank you very much @CaptainMac. I actually have all three of those sites saved in my favorites folder, but thank you. They are a really good resource.
     
  11. Jeff Callahan

    Jeff Callahan Active Member


    Hey @eddiespin. I was just talking about this subject in another thread of mine. At first, I was stubborn about reading all the stuff other members were sending me. I was excited to scan through some coins and find that DD. I finally got bored enough, I guess, to visit that very site... https://www.doubleddie.com/, and do some reading. My understanding of the minting process has been blooming ever since. I am actually stunned at how little I knew about coin collecting, and really, the vast amount of terminology associated with the word Numismatics in general. As such, I have been branching out into other areas of Numismatics. I already have a collection of about 130 world coins that I have been spending some time with on the side while I work on getting all of these pennies out of here. I am saving money for my first metal detector as well, and, studying the best ways to get started with metal detecting and how to find the best places to start my search for some really cool finds. Thanks for your reply!
     
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  12. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    I suspect the quality of the copper plated zinc cent will continue to be a source of aggravation for collectors.
     
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  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You're a treasure hunter, lol.

    I got a buddy, Jeff, who fancies himself as an art collector. He's got a Picasso reproduction hanging proudly in his den. I'm afraid to tell him it's been hanging upside-down for the last nine years.

    I'm not saying that's you, no way. You're legitimately learning what's become a very fascinating aspect of this hobby. But one person has coins, another has art, and what does that mean? Well, it's conditioned on what one wants out of the activity. And back in the day at least we wanted different than what you and many of your type who come on here seemingly out of nowhere every day want. And they're vainly seeking their fortune, most of them. That's how I have them. You're different, you're a genuine student. You're starting off in a different place than most of us did, that's what I'm saying. For whatever that's worth.
     
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  14. Robert Ransom

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  15. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I'm not a collector of damaged coins nor do I look for them. However, when I find a coin that I like, I am slow to react. I try to get as much information about the coin as well as their history. When I first started out, I went to a dealer. He had a few RAW gold coins and recommended that I read up about them and make sure I get a Red Book and read it. Being young, I figured I wouldn't have to read a book if the coin looked good. I bought a RAW $20 Liberty coin. I didn't think that I would have to look deeply at the coin, so I sent it off to NGC. It came back UNC DETAILS-OBV SCRATCHED. It was an expensive lesson, but I've smartened up a bit. Thanks to you all, I've been able to take the time to examine the coin in great detail before I spend that kind of money again. Again, and again, thank you very much for keeping this hoppy alive.
     
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  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I've run into newer collectors that don't even know we have Zinc Cents.
     
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  17. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    Whoops! Hobby/not hoppy.
     
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  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Thanks, Jim. That’s a very nice thing to hear. Whether it’s coin collecting, or for that matter, art collecting, IMHO, when value becomes the primary focus, that’s when you miss the boat. You turn this hoppy (lol) into an investment. FWIW...
     
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  19. mike estes

    mike estes Well-Known Member

    great pictures again, when you do come across that DD it will pop out at you because the attention to detail and the great pictures you take.....you watch, it will happen
     
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  20. Jeff Callahan

    Jeff Callahan Active Member


    Hey Mike. Thanks. I have actually found my first DD since we chatted last. It was the 1972D-1DO-001. It actually reignited my interest in this hobby. Not the biggest find, but you were right about it popping out at me.

    I really appreciate you and all the other members of CoinTalk who have helped to this point!!

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    I also found this 1970 P PENNY (No FG Floating Roof)...



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  21. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    @Jeff Callahan. Congratulations on your 1972 D find. In order to be sure you have DDO-001 you should compare die markers as there's five different DDOs for the 72-D Lincoln Cent. (4 of them are very similar).
    Also, if you're interested in error coins you should also browse through error-ref.com as they list many types of error coins and explain how they happened. http://www.error-ref.com/
    Congrats also on the floating roof find. Although they're more common than DDs, I'm sure they add some value to the coin.
     
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