Black dealers/coin collectors

TXWillie...

Goes to show you how one comment can create such an explosive topic.
Surely being in Texas you can understand this...I grew up there.. Irving to be exact and that my fellow Texan is when I started coin collecting. Sure wish I had all those pure silver coins I wasted away on my youth..hahahahaha

 

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Personally...African-American or any hypenated distinction does breed racisim. You can dream CoinOKC, but speaking as a Polish-German-Scottish-Irish-Austrian-Jewish-American (that's right...I'm a mutt), you will have racisim when minorities wish to be labeled as such. Look at the BET television network or the NAACP. I live down here in Florida and in Daytona Beach, they have "Black College Reunion Weekend' which just continues to breed racism. Instead of College Reunion, once you throw "Black" in front of it, you have racism...on BOTH sides!

The day you see the White Entertainment Television Network, White College Reunion, or the National Association of the Advancement of White Poor People will be likely as a snowball surviving a Florida summer. We all have thought about it...why is it okay for minorities to have their own weekend or television station if you can't even think proposing something with the word 'white' in its title? If you thought about it, you are a racist pig. As society moves forward, you have people like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton trying to keep the races separate because they would not exist if racism diminished. Do you really think they want racism to end? Jesse's PUSH organization is one of the largest extortion organizations around. If you say anything negative about them, you are a racist. You (companies) better pay them or they will throw the racist title at you!

As for the topic at hand. That is like asking why you don't see as many whites wear their pants as low as possible to show off their boxer shorts as blacks? It comes down to culture and upbringing. Hopefully, there will be more minorities interested in numismatics...but to each their own. As much as I like coins, I don't like buying and wearing Kobe Bryant Laker Jerseys and wearing them down to my knees. They cost a good penny and they are collected by others, but I wouldn't give you a common Wheatie cent for it.

The day will come when minorities will represent the percentage of numismatics as compared to society...until then, that day can't happen but soon enough. The more collectors, the more my coins increase in value.

Money is colorblind and a beautiful green

 

I'm not sure what you believe I intended with this post, but to suggest that somehow it's racially motivated is pure BS. You said this was drawing lines, but believe me no lines need drawing in these quarters. You wil have to speak for yourself. Here in Wyoming, we don't particularly care where a person comes from, but where he intends to go.

I will say it again for your ammusement... the reason I posted this thread is to find answers to what seems as very short sighted practices in this hobby, and maybe something that could be done about it. Now, don't go reading any thing more into it, and we will be fine.

In fact the mention of the ANA and its membership and controling group of "white" men were pointed out to me by one of my "black" friends. We had heard of the "outreach program of ANA" and thought it had very short white arms, as it failed to reach so many people. Of all color and especially black.
That is it. Period. End there isn't any more. Plain and simple.

 

I think this thread asks an important question that needs more thought, and therefore people need to shut off their buttons for a while. Point blank - some people have been brought up to believe that even mentioning the subject is considered rude. It's not - but rudeness is a matter of opinion, and mine is not the only one. I have only seen one post in this thread I considered out of line, and it was taken care of.

It's not enough, in my opinion, to say that there is an effort to include everyone, if there is no evidence that the efforts made have created an impact. For those that want to say otherwise, look around your local coin club at the next meeting, or around the next show you attend - ask your local coin dealer, and see what he has to say... you will find Dan has a point.

 

Yeah, I am a very insensitive guy. I have never been one to suffer from the "white guilt" that so many liberals wish to instill into my psyche. I do not start my day writhing in white guilt and blaming myself or my race for all of humanities ills. I guess that qualifies me as a racist.

FWIW, I know many whites that speak in the slang style I posted in. It is mostly over-reacting liberals that automatically attribute such to any specific race. It seems that most young white males talk like that now. But I doubt that matters much, because it doesn't emit or support the "victim mentality" that so many liberals seek to have and seem to cherish. These days, there are very few specific characteristics that can be attributed to any certain race. Teens of all races are listing to rap (left off the "c") music at ridiculous sound levels, grabbing their crotch when speaking, and wearing their pants 3 inches lower than their underwear. I guess they call that "diversity".

 

Wow......

Never really thought about the subject.

I must say, I have never seen a black (afro-american) dealer.

Can`t say off-hand that I ever saw a black customer at the few local

coin shows I`ve attended. Interesting Question indeed.

 

That's an interesting thought PTD. I'm curious about what you think an introductory coin kit might contain. I often think about introducing the hobby to kids I know. Such a kit might come in handy. What could a person put together with a reasonable budget to spark a kid's interest?

 

This is the EXACT point I'm trying to make! How do you know you haven't seen a "black" (African-American) dealer?

On what do you base your conclusion? The color of his skin? There are immeasurable shades of color in the human species from stark white to pitch black.

Maybe you're seeing people everyday who you think are "white", but are really "black" (and vice versa). Perhaps they're neither, but you subconsciously placed them into one or the other category.

OldDan, I never called you a racist. But, did you ever think that some of the "white" people you see at coin shows are really "black"? Indeed, there may be more "blacks" in the hobby than you realize. Perhaps "whites" are the ones in the minority, after all. It's simply how you perceive.

If it were possible, someone should do a genealogical survey on the attendees at the next large coin show. Who knows, "blacks" may outnumber "whites" two-to-one! Then, you may need to start a new thread entitled "Why aren't there more "whites" in the numismatic hobby".

Midas, I agree that any hyphenated heritage indicator breeds racial distinction and, therefore, racism. I also think that any label such as "white" or "black" is, by its very nature, racist due to the fact that such a label is intended to describe a race. I just don't like referring to someone based on the color of his skin. I think it trivializes the person and segregates him (at least in the mind of the other person).

Referring to someone as "white" or "black" or "yellow" or "red" or whatever diminishes a person and doesn't take into immediate account his knowledge, talent, history or skills. Besides, by labeling a person as such, you could be entirely wrong. Like I've stated before, how do you know a "white" person isn't "black"?

 

I have a few friends who collect coins and are black. They are newbies though.
There are also far more women and girls showing up in the hobby in the last sev-
eral years. While there may be genetic explanations for these phenomena it's more
likely to be of cultural origin. It's certainly apparent that some individuals do not
have any inclination to collect and others have it strongly. This inclination is ap-
parently genetic in origin but may have some instinctive characteristics to it also.

 

I find it interesting that you make an effort to demonstrate that "black speak" isn't really black, yet you chose to make a joke with it in your original post. Are you one of the "over-reacting liberals that automatically attribute such to [a] specific race"?

You are right--these days, there are very few specific characteristics that can be attributed to any certain race. At least not exclusively.

And CoinOKC--you raise interesting questions about racial definitions, but I think it's all just a matter of semantics. I see few blacks interested in coin collecting. How do I know they aren't black? By looking at them. If they have quite dark skin relative to me and look to have ancestors who hailed from Africa, I'd call them black. And I think that's what OldDan was referring to.

Whatever name you want to call it or where you want to draw the lines, there are lots and lots of intelligent, interesting people who have dark skin and some or most of whose ancestors came from Africa, and a notably smaller percentage of them seem interested in numismatics, compared to whites ("people who approach or exceed me in paleness and whose ancestors hailed mostly or completely from those chilly European lands.")

But I bet it will equalize before the end of this century.

 

I think it’s clear from the context that what is meant is anyone who you, without attempting to do a genetic analysis, believe (or at least presume) to be African-American based on their features and skin color.

You’re making this more complicated than it is.

 

When this thread started, it was coin related.

There are forums in which a discussion of the philosophy of racism, or the nature of languages, would be appropriate. Since this isn't one of those forums, the topic is closed.