Post your Emergency Issue coins and notes

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Seattlite86, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    It's there. Comes under S3124 - Tall horse with mane blown forward, nothing below mm. lis. Rev. small crowned oval shield, mm. various. In the list of marks at the start of the Charles I section it is no.64.

    The question of marks and their meaning is moot. I've spent the last 10 years trying to make sense of them and can assign some marks to places and or engravers based on punches. This however is one of the more enigmatic marks and is also rare, appearing on only two halfcrowns (the other one has gone to ground since 1952 and I don't know where it is), one shilling (paired with a bird obverse and this in the BM), then either 8 or 9 sixpences (I think 8, but can't prove the connection between two provenances). The mark only appears on the reverse.

    It could refer to Radnor or Radnorshire which has the Boar on the coat of arms, or it could be on the arms of a wealthy benefactor. It could be the latter if bird is assigned to Flintshire. A lot more work is required. There was so much symbolism in the period, that I think there must be a reason for it.

    Nice B7 halfcrown. (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/post-your-emergency-issue-coins-and-notes.332529/page-9)
     
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  3. SkidawayCoins

    SkidawayCoins New Member

    Sweden, 1718 1 Daler S.M., "Flink och Färdig" (agile and ready). This and a handful of other copper coins (including one upthread) were issued as substitutes for silver in order to fund Sweden's war efforts.

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  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Very cool! That coin is one my "someday I will own it list". I wrote a small article about Swedish emergency issue coinage: https://www.coinzip.com/articlesPag...2ALx9DReKXjd1bMu_bwXQ1QiCin8N_bj5p2Fl5pMHn0GE
     
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  5. SkidawayCoins

    SkidawayCoins New Member

    Thanks for sharing the article! It was a lively and informative read.

    If you're willing to live with F-VF condition, you can obtain the entire series rather inexpensively. Nothing is too rare.
     
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  6. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Good to know :) in due time I'll acquire them. For now, I'm focusing on German states coinage. I'm glad you enjoyed the article!
     
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  7. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Oxford 1644 groat with Rawlins signed bust and declaration reverse. Morrieson F-2 and S2989. Another type that appears every generation or so - ex G Hamilton-Smith 116 part, Glendining 21/5/1919; R C Lockett 2474 part, Glendining 11/10/1956; N Asherson 84, SCA 6, 10/10/1979; F Brady 369, SCA 209, 6/10/2011 from Spink 6/1995. The other one is in the BM.
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  8. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Another Civil War groat, this time Worcester. Allen B-1 with mm.Rose/Helmet
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    The groats with the rose initial mark on the obverse are considerably scarcer than the later groats with a lis over rose mark following the re-engraving of the obverse die. By my reckoning there are only 4 roses, but over a dozen lis coins. Of the former, there is a nice one in the BM which has been there at least 180 years, and of the other three available one is creased and chipped whilst another has a hole, leaving this one a no-brainer.

    This coin ex-H Montagu (V) 401d, Sotheby 16/11/1897; H O O’Hagan 512j, Sotheby 16/12/1907 (bought Weight); B Roth (I) 330b, Sotheby 19/7/1917; H W Morrieson 659a, Sotheby 20/11/1933 (bought Seaby for stock); V J E Ryan 1331b, Glendining 22/1/1952; Fred Baldwin Collection; F Brady 378, SCA 209, 6/10/2011 and acquired last year after a long wait for it to reappear.
     
  9. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    York Civil War sixpence. These were produced in strips and based on consistent marks to the edge were cut out using a 'pastry cutter'.
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  10. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Haven't had one of these yet. A York halfcrown, Besly dies 2F. These were struck on strips and punched out. In this instance the strip either wasn't wide enough, or it became misaligned during striking.
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  11. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    The condition of your Civil War coins is extraordinary !
     
  12. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Thank you. :)

    I sold a handful when I rejigged my collecting criteria, but only regret one of those. I regret a lot more missed opportunities. ;)
     
  13. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Oxford 1643 halfcrown, Morrieson dies K-28. A strong reverse, so the Briot horseman correspondingly weak as is often the case. The large central plume on this coin is seen on late 1643 and early 1644 Oxford halfcrowns and presumably is coincident with the Oxford Parliament held by Charles between 22nd January 1643/4 and 16th April 1644. It must be significant, as there is one die where the large plume is erased and replaced with a small central plume and not seen at a later date. This coin ex W Talbot Ready 687pt, Sotheby 18/11/1920; G Hamilton Smith 339, Glendining 24/5/1927; V J E Ryan 1245, Glendining 22/1/1952; J G Brooker SCBI 33 no.901A, collection acquired by Spink 1979-80 and Alan Morris collection.
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  14. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    ENGLAND Charles I Shilling 1645 with A mm

    The A mm is now generally attributed to Ashby de la Zouch in Leicestershire. However, there is no documentary evidence that coins were minted there and @robp suggested Aberystwyth earlier in this thread.

    England Chas I Shilling 1645 A mm Ashby LD obv 197.jpg England Chas I Shilling 1645 A mm Ashby  LD rev  804.jpg
     
  15. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    ENGLAND Charles I Halfcrown 1646 with plumelet over A ("legs" just visible) mm below horse on obv.

    This mm is now generally attributed to Bridgnorth-on-Severn. The Ashby garrison retreated to Bridgnorth and presumably took their dies with them but surrendered less than two months later on 26th April 1646. There is again no documentary evidence of minting in Bridgnorth.

    England Chas I Halfcrown 1646 Bridgnorth query LD obv  806.jpg England Chas I Halfcrown 1646 Bridgnorth query LD rev  808.jpg

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  16. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Netherlands AMSTERDAM Emergency Siege 5 Stuiver Klippe 1578 Uniface

    After the Spanish Fury in Antwerp when troops destroyed 1,000 houses and killed 8,000 people (Nov.1575), the Catholic regions decided to cooperate with the rebellious Protestant regions in their resistance to Spain (Pacification of Ghent , Nov.8 1576). Pro-Spanish Amsterdam, firmly in the hands of a Catholic city council, refused to join the States of Holland. After long fruitless negotiations, the States decided to lay siege to Amsterdam in the last days of December 1577. The city capitulated on February 8, 1578 (Satisfaction of Amsterdam). Silver emergency coinage was issued on 5 Jan. 1578, but the value of the coins was increased by 25 % on 31 January.


    Type with firesteel mintmark at top
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    Type with PG monogram mintmark at top
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  17. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Great looking coin
     
  18. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    A Christmas present for @panzerman

    A while ago I posted a Julich 1621 Siege 12 Stüber on this thread. Here are some more Julich siege coins.

    Germany JULICH Taler Siege Klippe 1610 Uniface

    On the death of Duke Johann Wilhelm of Jülich-Cleve-Berg without an heir on 25 March 1609, there were many claimants including Brandenburg, Pfalz-Neuburg, Pfalz-Zweibrücken, Burgau, Saxony and Cleve-Nevers. Two, Elector Johann Sigismund of Brandenburg & Johann Wilhelm of Pfalz- Neuburg, agreed on 10 June 1609 on a joint government as Princes in possession (Die Possidierenden Fürste)..The emperor refused to accept this and appointed his cousin Archduke Leopold, bishop of Passau, as administrator. Leopold reached Jülich on 23 July 1609. The Princes' army, supported by contingents from France, England & Holland, laid siege on 28 July 1610. During the siege Imperial commander von Reuschenberg struck coins from silver plate. The city surrendered on 1 Sept 1610.

    Julich Taler Klippe 1610 Imp garrison besieged by Brand & Pfalz-Neuburg  Uniface 570.jpg


    JULICH 2 Stüber Siege Klippe 1621 Uniface

    The rift between the Possidierenden Fürsten (the princes in possession) of Julich-Berg, Brandenburg and Pfalz-Neuburg, broke out openly in the spring of 1614, which allowed the States General of the United Provinces to occupy the fortress of Jülich . The commander Frederik Pithan had previously placed the fortress under their protection. However, in 1621 the conflict between the United Provinces and Spain flared up again after a 12 year armistice. General Ambrosius Spinola planned to attack the Dutch from the Jülich-Cleve territory. On 5 Sept. 1621, an army under Heinrich von dem Berg laid siege to Jülich. Commander Pithan minted emergency coins from silver crockery and old silver money to pay his troops. Without hope of relief, Jülich surrendered on 3 Feb. 1622.


    Julich 2 Stuber Klippe 1621 F Pithan besieged by Spaniards  Uniface 578.jpg



    JULICH 20 Stüber Siege Klippe 1621 Uniface (Four 4 Stüber stamps and two 2 Stüber stamps)

    Julich 20 Stuber Klippe 1621 F Pithan besieged by Spaniards LD Uniface 572.jpg
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Very cool. Bet those are pricey, huh.
     
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  20. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    CATTARO Siege 5 Franchi 1813

    Cattaro (today Kotor in Montenegro) belonged to Venice from 1420 -1797. It was an important port on Venice's old trade route to the East. In 1797 they were forced to hand it over to Austria under the Treaty of Campoformio. After Napoleon crushed Austria at Austerlitz he attached Cattaro to his Napoleonic Kingdom of Italy by the Treaty of Pressburg in 1805, though in fact it was held at the time by a Russian squadron under Dmitry Senyavin. After the Russians retreated, Cattaro was united in 1806 with this Kingdom of Italy and then in 1810 with the French Empire's Illyrian Provinces. In 1813 Napoleon's empire started to crumble and Austria declared war on him again. Revolts in Dalmatia forced the French to take refuge in Cattaro where they were besieged by Montenegrin troops. Under threat from a 38 gun British ship commanded by William Hoste and an 18 gun sloop under John Harper, the French surrendered on 5 Jan. 1814.
    During the 3-month siege General Gautier, commander of the French garrison, struck coins from the treasures in the cathedral. The coins are about 0.75 silver with traces of gold and other metals. The obverse features a crossed canon, rifle and sword while the reverse has a crowned N for Napoleon.

    Cattaro French garrison Siege 5 Franchi 1813 LD obv 063.jpg Cattaro French garrison Siege 5 Franchi 1813 LD rev 069.jpg
     
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  21. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    American civil war encased postage stamps



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