Peru 1 sol 1914 F.G. Counterfeit?

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  1. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Have doubts as to the authenticity of the Peru 1 sol shown below. Is this a known counterfeit? Additional images of inscriptions available if necessary. All comments welcome.

    24.97g.
    37mm
    high grade silver with 18kt acid test.

    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGREV.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV2.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV3.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGREV2.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGREV3.jpg
     
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  3. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Never use acid on a coin to determine silver content! There are other ways. Krause says 25.00 grams and 37mm diameter on the 1914 UN Sol from Peru so is likely 90 percent silver, also provided in Krause.
     
  4. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    I'm very far from an expert but it looks ok to me. What are your concerns?
     
  5. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    I would like to know why you think it's a fake. I can see where your pointing at the lettering and numbers but, I've seen similar coins like that. That could be die erosion or MD.
     
  6. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Not a fake. Now another damaged coin.
     
  7. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Before acid $25-$30.
    After acid $19 melt value.
     
  8. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    A light rubbing on a basaltic stone determined the high silver contact. Amount of silver used in test is virtually nil.
    My concerns are the large number of re-punched/engraved letters of the inscriptions. More concerning, are the large number of raised lines and groups of raised lines around the rim on both sides, as well as the multiple numbers of raised lines and and raised areas within the denticles. In addition there appears to be a raised lump in the folds of the gown. Below find additional images with comments.

    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV4.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV5.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV6.jpg
    Note raised line in denticles above 'B' and raised horizontal line in field above 'B' &'L'.

    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV7.jpg
    Note raised lines above and through the top of'CA'.


    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV8.jpg
    Note raised line above 'PE'.


    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV9.jpg
    Note multiple raised lines in the denticles above 'RU'.



    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV10.jpg
    Note raised lines above and in the denticles above 'AN'.


    PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV11.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV12.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGOBV13.jpg
     
  9. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I see no reason to think it's a fake.
     
  10. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Below find an image of the raised lump in the drapery of the obverse along with several images of the reverse.




    PERU1SOLE1914FGREV15.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGREV2.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGREV3.jpg PERU1SOLE1914FGREV13.jpg
     
  11. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    More arrows don't make me change my mind. It appears to me normal striking issues.
     
  12. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    We are not worried about the loss of silver in the acid test, but the damage to the coin from the acid and the rub you mention...takes a undamaged coin and damages it and removes the numismatic premium, whatever it may have been.
     
  13. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    The first coin struck on the brand new die would not exhibit these anomalies. However, as coins are repeatedly struck the die wears and may even break off chips. All of these photos look consistent with a coin struck on a later stage die, including the metal bulge from a die chip. Even early in the 20th century, the forging of die steel with the optimal characteristics for longevity had not been perfected, thus when a particular die demonstrated staying power, a mint would try to get the maximum use out of it, perhaps going so far as to lap the surface and retool elements (although I don't think that's the case here).
     
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2020
  14. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    All the arrows you've used indicate a reworked die - letters recut etc. I'd be more concerned if such things weren't there.
     
  15. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Many thanks to all who replied. Appears I have a genuine coin and my fears of a counterfeit are unjustified. After much searching, below find digital images of a similar coin I was able to find on-line at a Stacks-Bowers site, with many of the characteristics of the coin in hand. Coin below sold January 16, 2018 at the NYINC convention.


    LOT DESCRIPTION
    PERU. Sol, 1914-FG. NGC MS-65.

    KM-196.26. Type XII. Quite exceptional for type. Sharply struck, frosty luster and highly attractive.

    Estimate: $300 - $400.

    NGC MS-65.

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