Whose portrait appears on this Thespian bronze?

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I want to thank @zumbly for providing me numismatic references to research this coin and its background. The ancient forum at CT is truly the friendliest, most helpful coin community on the net! I am hoping some experts on mythology (@Jochen1) or Greek coinage (@Ed Snible) can provide me with more information.

    My son gave me this enigmatic little bronze of Thespiae in Boeotia for Christmas. I love it as much as I am curious about it!

    Arsinoe III Thespiae.jpg
    Greek Æ 12.5 mm, 3.37 g, 3 h.
    Boeotia, Thespiae, late 3rd century BC?
    Obv: Female head, right, wearing kalathos/modius/polos and veil.
    Rev: ΘEΣΠI/EΩN either side of chelys (lyre); all within laurel wreath.
    Refs: BMC 8.92,14-22; Sear 2461; SNG Cop 406-7; BCD Boiotia 612; Head Boeotia p. 94, pl. VI, 13.

    Several things about this coin remain unexplained. About the only things known with certainty are the city which issued it, that a veiled female head appears on its obverse, and that a lyre appears on its reverse.

    AN UNCERTAIN DATE

    There is no consensus on the date it was issued. I have seen estimates ranging from "early-middle 4th century BC"[1] to "BC 146-27."[2] Schachter, based upon a date assigned by Dr. ESG Robinson and his conclusion that Arsinoë III is depicted on its obverse, assigns at date of "about 210-208 BC."[3]

    A FEMALE

    Similarly, there is no consensus on the identity of the female figure on the obverse. Many catalogues (e.g. SNG Cop, BMC, HGC) simply describe the obverse figure as female, without attempting further identification, and that is the most intellectually honest approach, given our incomplete knowledge of the issue. Be that as it may, it's dissatisfying in its vagueness, and a few numismatists have attempted to identify the figure with a deity or historical figure.

    ARSENOE III

    Schachter, as noted above, identifies the figure as Arsinoë III for several reasons.[4] The Thespians of Boeotia were the organizers of the Museia, a music festival held at the sanctuary of the Muses on Mount Helikon. Toward the end of the third century BC, the Museia underwent a reorganization to raise its status: certain competitions were henceforth to be στεφανιταί, a competition which awarded a stephanos (laurel wreath) to the winner. He notes the coin's devices support an association with the Museia: the lyre symbolizes a musical festival and the laurel wreath the stephanos awarded to the victor. Noting that inscriptions date the reorganization of the festival to 215-208 BC, and that three inscriptions note that Ptolemy and his queen financed the festivals, he concludes that Ptolemy IV of Egypt and his wife Arsinoë III are the persons referred to in the inscriptions. Noting a similarity between the portrait on these tiny bronze coins of Thespiae and that of Arsinoë III on a gold octodrachm (BMFA 2286; Svoronos 1165), he concludes this Egyptian queen is the figure on the coin.

    HERA

    Elsewhere, the author of the relevant volume of HCG writes, "In earlier catalogues, the veiled bust is often identified as the Ptolemaic queen, Arsinoë III, in the guise of a Muse, but a more recent study suggests that the pan-Boiotian goddess, Hera Teleia (as herself), is intended. She also appears on a contemporary bronze issue of Orchomenos, perhaps indicating that the coins were struck in the context of the festival of the Greater Daidala, which involved many, if not all, of the Boiotian cities."[5] The issue of Orchomenos in question appears to be BMC 39, which Head and Poole attribute to Hera.[6] Interestingly, Schachter does not identify the female figure on the coins of Orchemenos to Hera, but to one of the Charites. He believes such coins depict Arsinoë III also but in the guise of a Charis.[7] Other online sources attribute the figure on these coins of Orchemenos to "Arsinoe III (as Hera)."[8] I do not know on what basis these coins attribute the figure to Hera or Arsinoë III.

    Apart from being a Boeotian goddess, I have little reason to believe the coin depicts Hera Teleia in particular. Teleia was the epithet of Hera used in her avatar as "Hera the Matron," a wedding goddess.[9] The presence of a lyre and laurel wreath have little to do with Hera and I think any attempt to identify the obverse figure with a deity should also attempt to explain the presence of the devices on the reverse.

    Moreover, while I admit that Schachter's identification of the figure as Arsinoë is possible, I'm not sure it's even plausible and it strikes me as fanciful if not special pleading. This explanation depends entirely on a certain date of 215-208 BC for the coin's production and I'm not sure the available data establishes a date of minting with such accuracy.

    A NEW INTERPRETATION

    I propose a simple explanation: the figure on the obverse is Thespia, the Naiad-nymph of the spring, well or fountain of the town of Thespiae. Pausanias (ix. 26. § 4) and Corinna (Fragment 674) each note the town is named after her. According to ancient mythographers,[10] Thespia was a daughter of the river-god Asopos and was abducted to the town by the god Apollo.

    The identification of the obverse with Thespia makes perfect sense. The town's namesake is on the obverse, while the lyre and laurel wreath, being attributes of Apollo, honor the god who brought her to the city.

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    Notes:

    1. "Thespiae, Boiotia, Early - Mid 4th Century B.C. Forum Ancient Coins, www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?zpg=15265.

    2. Head, Barclay V., and Reginald Stuart Poole. A Catalogue of the Greek Coins in the British Museum: Central Greece (Locris, Phocis, Boeotia and Euboea). Longmans, by Order of the Trustees, 1884, p. 92. Available here online.

    3. Schachter, Albert. "A Note on the Reorganization of the Thespian Museia." The Numismatic Chronicle and Journal of the Royal Numismatic Society, vol. 1, ser. 7, 1961, pp. 67–70, p. 68 specifically. Available here online.

    4. Ibid.

    5. As reported to me by @zumbly.

    6. Head and Poole, op. cit., p. 56.

    7. Schachter, op. cit., pp. 69-70.

    8. See, for example, the Wildwinds listing for Orchomenus BMC 39 and a listing at Numista: "Bronze Æ12, Orchomenos of Boeotia." Numista, en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces146642.html.

    9. See "Teleia." Teleia | Facts, Information, and Mythology, 5 Feb. 2008, pantheon.org/articles/t/teleia.html and also "Hera." Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation, 12 Dec. 2020, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hera.

    10. The ancient sources include Corinna, Pausanius, and Diodorus Siculus, and are enumerated at "THESPIA." THESPIA (Thespeia) - Boeotian Naiad Nymph of Greek Mythology, www.theoi.com/Nymphe/NympheThespia.html.
     
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  3. Ryro

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    Beautiful and enigmatic coin:artist::pompous: Color me green:wideyed: with envy:troll: aaand I concur with your summation of it being her.
    My personal knowledge of Boeotia is primarily about Philip V and their dealings wih Makedon.
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    (Purchased from the always fun to buy from Marc Breightsprecher).
    Really seems like an aspect of ancient Greek that @Ed Snible , @Pavlos or @Sulla80 would be able to shed some light on...
    I'd love to see who on the board has an answer???
     
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  4. Jochen1

    Jochen1 Well-Known Member

    @Roman Collector
    At first sight I found your new interpretation convincing. Then I researched my literature and found that most sources do not mention the nymph Thespia as founder of the cityof Thespis, but Thespios (also Thestios), the son of King Erechtheus of Athens. The nymph Thespia and her abduction by Apollo is only mentioned very briefly by Diodorus Siculus, and that she was the founder of the city is only mentioned by Pausanias. All in all, this is only weak evidence, especially since Pausanias also had something against the impregnation of the 50 daughters of Thespios by Herakles. He seems to have been somewhat biased against Thespios.

    It is said that a Thespia by Memnon was the mother of the Muses, who were therefore also called Thespiades. Whether she was identical with the Thespia of Diodorus Siculus and Pausanias is not exactly known. There is also no information about her in known writers. Korinna (Lat. Corinna), who was compared to Sappho in antiquity, seems to me to have had more connections with this second Thespia, the Mother of the Muses. I don't know if a poet like her, who also glorified her homeland Boeotia, can be made the chief witness when it comes to the mythology of the nymph Thespia.

    There is said to have been a cult of the Muses in the city of Thespia. But their temple was only small and the statues were made of stone (Pausanias). The main cult in Thespia was the cult of Eros. At its festivals, virgins danced around a phallos.

    Best regards
    Jochen
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much for contributing your knowledge of ancient mythology and mythography to the discussion. I certainly must rethink my identification of the figure on the obverse in light of your input. I don't think I will be able to say anything more specific than "veiled female head wearing kalathos."
     
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  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..fine coin RC...imma sucker for any with the stringed instruments of the time...:)
     
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  7. Jochen1

    Jochen1 Well-Known Member

    @Roman Collector I have to add something very important that I had forgotten: I have never seen a nymph with a Kalathos (or is it a mural crown?).

    Jochen
     
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