Acetone Mystery

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by coinaline, Dec 20, 2020.

  1. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Even better news: apparently these are now back to being readily available and cheap, at least from Amazon -- around $10 for a pack of 500, "fits most". (I'm not "most", unfortunately, so I don't know if I'd be able to use them. At that price, I might give them a try, though.)
     
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  3. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    MS70 huh, thanks, I'm going to try it. Great post.
     
  4. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    "Fits most" are actually large or extra large. If you search, you can find specific sizes (S,M, L or XL). Ones with textured surfaces are more comfortable, and you're less likely to drop things than the ones with smooth surfaces.

    Cal
     
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  6. coinaline

    coinaline Active Member

    Thanks for all the replies! More are always welcome, but this reassured me about what to do and how to do it.
     
  7. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    I’ve had good results using MS70 for hazing. Acetone should be tried first but do not expect much.
    I suggest the following;
    Overnight soak in acetone.
    Working over a folded Terry cloth towel, remove coin from acetone. Gently roll a Qtip soaked in clean acetone across the three sides of the coin. Then a quick rinse in clean acetone.
    If the hazing is still there;
    Soak coin in MS70 for 30-60 seconds. Pour some NS 70 into a small glass. Remove coin from the soak glass and gently blot the surface of the coin with a Q tip soaked in the clean MS 70 from the small glass. (Don’t do put the Qtip directly into the NS 70 container. You might contaminate it) Gently roll the Qtip across the surface of the coin. Repeat on the remaining two sides. Rinse the coin under running hot water. Place coin on to a clean Terry cloth towel. Fold towel over coin and gently blot coin to dry it. Don’t rub it! When coin is dry dip coin in clean acetone. Remove coin immediately and let air dry.
     
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  8. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Glass tipped tongs, like used in chemical labs?
     
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  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Bravo, acetone isn't that bad unless you have a LOT of exposure. Unless perhaps during pregnancy.
     
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  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    MS70 is strong alkali and can dissolve skin...BE CAREFUL!
     
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  11. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Glass tipped?
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If you do it properly - no.

    Literally millions of coins have been rinsed in MS70 and then given a clean grade by the TPGs. And tens of millions of coins have been dipped and given clean grades by the TPGs.

    What's more, the TPGs themselves use MS70, and coin dip, on coins and then give them clean grades.

    Fully 80% or more of all older coins have been dipped at one point in their lifetimes, and then give clean grades by the TPGs.

    What you have to realize is there's proper cleaning, and harsh/improper cleaning.
    And there is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with proper cleaning. And when used correctly, properly, MS70 and coin dip IS proper cleaning !

    But there is a big problem with harsh/improper cleaning ! And it is only the coins that have been harshly/improperly cleaned that get the problem coin designation and a Details label on the slab.
     
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  13. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Acetone can remove dirt, gunk, oil and grime, new fingerprints even, it doesn't remove tarnish/toning.

    The hazing can be tarnish (the beginning of toning) and if so, acetone won't remove it. as stated a coin dip like "MS70" would remove it but it is a mild corrosive, so follow directions and when in doubt leaving it alone is a better option. Dipping a coin too many times will destroy it's luster also.

    Another thing for silver is milkspots. As far as I am aware, you can't get rid of them without damaging the coin, they will return even after dipping but they will be less noticeable for awhile. this also show as a spotty haze on a coin, almost like a liquid (milk) spilled on it and dried.

    Best to know what you can and can't do with various liquids, products, chemicals and test on something you don't care about instead of wrecking something you do care about by going too far with something a product can't do.

    Distilled water will do about what acetone will do, it's the same pH, but it's not a solvent like acetone is, so results may improve with acetone over distilled water, I like distilled water as the least intrusive first step, it's just water with no minerals, fluoride or chlorine, no impurities and a neutral pH. you can let it soak and air dry without spotting.
    Besides acetone, I've also heard toluene or xylene will work on things that acetone doesn't touch as they are different solvents. but again, they don't remove tarnish/toning.

    if the haze is tarnish/toning, a "coin dip" will likely be needed to remove it, but you should practice this and do it the least amount possible to get the desired effect, if it messes up flow lines or luster, from leaving it too long, or dipping too many times, you can't get that back again.
     
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  14. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    I've only seen one set.
    Vintage or antique.
    Resembled a compass drawing tool.
     
  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I've never seen one.
     
  16. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Before tackling expensive coins with any solvent/cleaner, practice with junk silver coins and common copper Lincoln cents. Once you're comfortable move up to the better coins .
    Right now I have four 1970's Lincoln cents soaking in Acetone for a week and they look the same as the day I put them in. I had heard that Acetone would turn copper coins different colors, not yet for me.
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It doesn't always do it, but sometimes it does. And time spent in the acetone is not a factor - 1 second, or a week - no difference between the two.
     
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  18. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I don't remember that point coming up in our previous discussions. The paper people cite about acetone attacking copper used an 18-hour exposure, in the presence of light ("ambient" light, brightness unspecified, which seems like a big omission).
     
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  19. usmc 6123

    usmc 6123 Active Member

    I use either chop sticks with rubber bands or better yet wood tweezers that you use for feeding dead mice to snakes you can custom carve them use rubber bands to keep tension keep them on for the drying also. My set up looks like a meth lab.
     
  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I thought I remembered it was UV light...
     
  21. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I tried MS13 once and ended up with with a black eye.
     
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