1799 Draped Bust, Heraldic Eagle (Tell Me What You Think)

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by stella, Feb 22, 2009.

  1. stella

    stella The Myth

    I just added this to my collection, let me know what my forum experts think...

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  3. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    It appears to be a Bolender 21 except a star is not right so I'd be concerned about authenticity, since these are now being counterfeited well. However, if there's a variety that's identical to the B-21 that has that one star different (star @ beak), then it may be otay but the clouds are too pronounced and they are usually weak.

    I'd take it to someone, other than who you bought it from, and have it authenticated. ;)

    Ribbit :)
     
  4. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Well the obverse looks like a B-9, the description of the obverse sounds like a B-9(apostrophe S). But nothing else on the reverse lines up with a B-9. My conclusions is that the coins is fake - I have to check out heritage first.
     
  5. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I have to look at somemore the first one on heritage I looked at had a reverse similiar to this one which is different from my book.
     
  6. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    The coin looks suspicious to me. Especially the blob of metal on the reverse at the denticles just to the right of the second 'S' in STATES.
     
  7. FreakyGarrettC

    FreakyGarrettC Wise young snail

    The first 9 looks funky.
     
  8. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Well it looks like a B-9 - my two concerns are the line under the one not seeming to line up with the examples on heritage. I also cannont find the two spikes on the lower parts of the nines. So I would get it certified by a real expert.
     
  9. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I agree that you should have it authenticated ASAP. There are a couple of small raised metal bumps next to the first to stars on the left on the reverse. This raised the issue of a transfer die forgery. Everything about it looks too evenly struck, too smooth. I know this is vague, and I will be the first to say I'm no expert, but I urge you to have it checked by a knowledgeable person or grading service.
     
  10. CappedBustDimes

    CappedBustDimes Senior Member

    Nice photos and thanks for sharing.

    Here are some diagnostics for your BB-163, B-10:
    Obverse Stars Arranged 7 left & 6 right
    Normal Date/9’s with Spurs
    Five Berries on Olive Branch
    Lowest Obverse Stars Small
    Small Reverse Motto/Complete U in United
    Star touches Eagle’s lower beak

    This is an earlier die stage but, while it is authentic, I suspect some sort or tooling or alteration to the surfaces....Can you spot it?

    It's currently listed as an R2 in the latest census.
     
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