Roman Alexandrian Tetradrachms!

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  1. JayAg47

    JayAg47 Well-Known Member

    So this is my follow-up post from my old post on winning an ancient coin lot from ebay.
    These are the Roman Alexandrian tets I'm happy to add to my collection!
    I tried to attribute them as much I could, but any help is appreciated!
    From left to right:
    Diocletian?
    Year: 288 AD??
    Nike on the reverse?

    Maximianus
    Year (1): 285 AD?
    Alexandria w. bust of Serapis & scepter

    Diocletian
    Year: 286-287 AD
    Tyche standing left holding rudder and cornucopiae, star above minting year (Greek gamma letter)
    Lettering:
    ETOVC (Can anyone tell me what this means?)
    Γ
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    Reverse
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    and these things are chunky!
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    Also, there is one more coin from the lot, a cruddy 4th century coin, no idea who the emperor is, but I think a proper cleaning will reveal it, can anyone help me on how you would clean this coin?
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice and chunky, indeed, @JayAg47! I have a couple of Diocletians and a Maximian from Alexandria, too.

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    Diocletian, AD 284-305.
    Roman billon tetradrachm, 19.2 mm, 7.24 g, 12 h.
    Egypt, Alexandria, AD 285-6.
    Obv: Α Κ Γ ΟVΑΛ ΔΙΟΚΛΗΤΙΑΝΟC CЄΒ, laureate and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: Athena seated left, holding Nike and resting on scepter, shield at side; L B (= regnal year 2) in field.
    Refs: Dattari 5638; BMCG 2485; Milne 4765; Cologne 3211; RCV 12856.

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    Diocletian, AD 284-305.
    Roman billon tetradrachm, 19.1 mm, 6.91 g, 12 h.
    Egypt, Alexandria, AD 286-7.
    Obv: Α Κ Γ ΟVΑΛ ΔΙΟΚΛΗΤΙΑΝΟC CЄΒ, laureate head, right.
    Rev: Tyche standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae; L Γ (=regnal year 3) behind.
    Refs: Dattari 5755; BMCG 2524; Milne 4821; Cologne 3230; RCV 12865; Curtis 2025; MRKA 1261; Emmett 4082.

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    Maximian, 1st reign, AD 286-305.
    Roman billon tetradrachm, 16.2 mm, 7.29 g.
    Egypt, Alexandria, AD 289-290 Obv: A K M A OVA MAΞIMIANOC CЄB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: Dikaiosyne standing left, holding scales and cornucopiae; L in left field and Є (year 5 = 289/290) in right field.
    Refs: Dattari 5850; Similar to BMCG 2550 and RCV 13345 (different placement of Є).
     
  4. Claudius_Gothicus

    Claudius_Gothicus Well-Known Member

    Nice tetradrachms! As for the last coin, it seems to be a common VOT coin of Constantine, though I can't help you with how to clean it.
     
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  5. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    A book you may want for these coins Emmett, Keith. Alexandrian Coins.

    "έτους"
    Greek translates "year" English - here's some more info on your coins (no guess on the fourth coin)

    Egypt, Alexandria, Diocletian, AD 284-305, BI tetradrachm, dated RY 4? = AD 287/8
    Obv: A K ΓΟ VΑΛ ΔΙΟΚΛΗΤΙΑΝΟC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Diocletian right, seen from behind
    Rev: Nike walking right holding wreath and palm, shield beneath seat; L Δ

    Egypt, Alexandria, Maximianus, First reign, AD 286-305, BI tetradrachm, dated Year 4 = 289-290 AD
    Obv: MAXIMIANOC CEB, laureate and draped bust right
    Rev: L Δ, Alexandria standing facing, head left, holding bust of Serapis with left hand and scepter with right hand

    Egypt, Alexandria, Diocletian
    , AD 284-305, BI tetradrachm, dated year 3 (286/7) Obv: A K Γ OVAΛ ΔIOKΛHTIANOC CEB Laureate and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: ETOVC Γ (date: year 3) Tyche standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae; star toright
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    ETOVC is a variant form of the genitive of ἔτος, the word for year. In the genitive case, it means "Of the year." Gamma is used here as the number 3. So, "Of the year 3."
     
  7. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    now I see it: Constantine I AD 307/10-337, AE 3, D N CONSTANTINI MAX AVG,
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Great tetradrachms! I love chunky Alexandrian tets.
    I don't have a Diocletian yet but here is a Maximianus I, my first Alexandrian tet:

    Maximianus I Hercueus Billon Tetradrachm 286-305 AD Alexandria Egypt.jpg
     
  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    The coin looks like it is already down to bare metal (mostly). I doubt that any additional cleaning will improve it.
     
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have a Carus, Carinus, Numerianus, Diocletian and Maximian for that time period. All are pretty chunky.
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice catch, @JayAg47 !

    I do not READ Greek nor Latin, but I chuckled to myself

    έτους = Et House, or an advert for EAT OUTTA the HOUSE (go to your local restaurant). :)

    Here are a couple from around that Modern Time:

    CARUS

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    RI Carus 282-283 CE AE 18mm BI Tet Consecratio Flaming Alter Divus Carus under Carinus R2


    CARINUS

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    RI Carinus 282-285 CE BI Potin Tet 19mm 8.1g Alexandria Egypt 19mm Athena Seated holding Nike
     
  12. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    The word, ETOUS, as mentioned above is "the year of". What looks like the letter L is simply an abreviation of E, the first letter of ETOUS, L=E(TOUS).
     
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  13. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Here's a Tet of Empress Salonina that was struck in Alexandria. It is to recall that Potin tetradrachms are typical to Roman Egypt. Potin, like the following, was an alloy of lead, silver, copper and tin, I think. Reverse of the coin is Elpis.

    Salonina O     ElpisPotin.JPG SalonElpis R   Tetalexand.JPG
     
  14. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Nice chunky coins. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  15. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I have a copy of Emmett and find it very useful, but I'm wondering if you know whether there are any other books on Roman Alexandrian coins that are readily available?
     
  16. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Dattari-Savio is not easy to find, here's the other link I have on Roman Egypt coins: http://www.coinsofromanegypt.org/html/library/works_index.htm#works
     
  17. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I really do love the sand-cast flans these tetradrachmas are struck on. The Alexandrian style is also quite nice. Must be due to my Roman Egyptian roots.

    Here's my most recent, and my only coin of 2020. It's in hand but I have yet to take a photograph of it. My imaging apparatus has been put away after prolonged dis-use. It is time I break it out and free it of its dust-riddled state:

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    Here's a Maximian:

    Maximian
    AE Tetradrachm
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    291 - 292 A.D., Alexandria Mint, null Officina
    6.82g, 20.5mm, 12H

    Obverse: ΜΑΞΙΜΙ-ΑΝΟC CΕΒ,
    Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right, as seen from the back - both ties turned backwards

    Reverse: L-✱/Z,
    Nike flying right holding wreath out in right hand, and a palm over shoulder in left hand

    Exergue: -

    Provenance: Ex. Frank S. Robinson Auction 107, Lot 352

    Reference: Milne 5031

    Anyone have any clues what CEB means? Cebastos? Σεβαστός? A synonym of Augustus?
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Yes
     
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