Pantikapaion: question about catalog reference

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  1. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I guess I thought that they were all supposed to be Pan -- a pun on the city's name -- rather than just some anonymous satyr, whether or not they have a beard. After all, Pan (or the mask of Pan) on Roman Republican coins (like my Vibius Pansa) has a beard.
     
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  3. Cucumbor

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    There were two specimens that hammered at 400 CHF and 550 CHF + juice....

    :arghh: Q
     
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  4. DonnaML

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    Wow. I really am surprised. When it gets to the point that auction prices have gone way past retail prices (even without the buyer's fee), then it makes more sense just to buy at retail -- until the retail dealers all raise their prices, too.
     
  5. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    I am sure mine is worth twice that :confused:
    Pantakapion AE.jpg
    Cimmerian Bosporos, Pantikapaion, circa 310-304/3 BC, AE
    Obv: Bearded head of satyr right
    Rev: ΠAN, Forepart of griffin left; below, fish (sturgeon) left
     
  6. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    Pantikapaion Ae 23 340-325 BC Obv head of bearded satyr left wearing ivy wreath Rv. Bow and arrow. MacDonald 59 11.53 grms 24 mm Photo by W. Hansen panticapaeum2.jpeg The coins of this mint Pantikapaion are quite fascinating. This coin seems to have been issued during the second period of coinage from that mint as the image of the satyr is very flamboyant. Oddly despite all the effort spent on the obverse the reverse is surprisingly plain.
     
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  10. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

    Great pickup! Here's my example:

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  11. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    Hello gentlemen.
    I have such coin but in poor condition.
    237 Пантикапей.jpg 238.jpg
     
  12. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    the Greek colony of Panticapaeum was located on the territory of modern Russia. Therefore, the coins of Pantikapaion Dating very often. They are looking for them with a metal detector.
     
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  13. dougsmit

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    Once upon a time, Bing's coin was mine. I got it in 1991 from Frank Robinson who was selling pairs of 'countermarked' coins of this type where one was really countermarked and the other was made with the countermark as part of the design. He had several sets as I recall. At a later date, I upgraded the one with normal c/m's and sold the one from Frank to Bing. At the time, I thought the star/bowcase paired marks were neat and that the ones incorporated in the design were cut into the dies. Today, I would need to see others from the mark incorporated 'dies' that proved it was a die rather than a cast but I don't know anyone else who bought these in 1991 so I have not seen proof one way or the other. Help appreciated.
    My upgrade with paired c/m's:
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    The c/m incorporated from 1991:
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    This is one of those mysteries I will feel lucky to solve. I need to see another coin with the c/m's in the same place but with different centering. Without that, the coin I have might just be a cast fake (ancient or modern).
     
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  14. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I have a copy of the original 1986 Anokhin Russian-text "MOHETHOE ΔΕΛΟ bOCΠOPA" where the Pan right/griffin type is 111. So that old reference is confirmed. I don't know where "Anokhin 1023" comes from.
     
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  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I think the Pan right/griffin is one of the most attractive ancient bronzes. For its beauty alone those prices seems reasonable. However, there was a large hoard found and when considering supply and demand the supply is really quite large. I copied this photo from an article about a hoard in September 2016:

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    I'm sorry to say I don't recall the details or have a link to the article and didn't find one in a web search.
     
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  16. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Here are some pictures of the earlier Anokhin book.

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    Монетное дело Боспора (1986). It's in Russian, but Cyrillic is not so difficult to learn (I did it when collecting Russian coins as a boy), coin books obviously consist for a large part of pictures and short systematic paragraphs, AND today there's the Google Translate app on your phone with camera function!

    Anokhin 109-113.jpg

    111 says: Obv. Head of a bearded satyr right. Rev. PAN Protome of griffin to the left, below a sturgeon. Copper. Tetrachalkon. 6.60g - GE, N 26631 (=coin inventory number).

    Anokhin 104-114.jpg
     
  17. Pellinore

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    I only have this BC coin of Pantikapaion, dating from about 130-125 BC. It's Anokhin (1986) nr. 175 and shows on its reverse a cornucopia between the two pilei = the caps of the Dioscuri, both under a star: Castor and Pollux. 16.5 mm, 3.40g, so I suppose a dichalkon.

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  18. Sulla80

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  19. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Great reference! You need no books anymore when you use that. My coin is 175-3151, with 207 pieces very common.
     
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  20. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Thanks! This directly confirms that 111 (1986) = 1023 (2011). So I finally have the answer!

    Also, Chrome automatically translates this site into English.
     
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  21. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Thank you! I hadn't known that site existed. I'll be using it in the future.
     
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