Am I going to be disappointed?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by rlm's cents, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I bought this because I thought that it would make 65 slabbed. Do you think I was right or overly optimistic? Sorry for the pics, but it is all I ahve for the moment.
     

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  3. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Looks clean enough to me from the pics to go 65. Spent some time in an album, I'll bet. I would be concerned that the coin was once dipped, but that could be the color from the photos or just my paranoia speaking....Mike
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The pics bother me because I worry about what I cannot see. But what I can see is the scratch on the upper reverse. If that passes, then it will probably go 65. Obv has a fingerprint it looks like, but that won't stop it - even though it should limit grade to 64 IMPO.
     
  5. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    All I can say is WOW. I like that one. Would go nice in my sets you know.
     
  6. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I think it will go 65 rlm

    and not challenging you, Doug, just asking... in your opinion a fingerprint should preclude a coin from a 65 grade, or it should preclude this coin from a 65 grade?
     
  7. Boss

    Boss Coin Hoarder

    RLM, awesome. Sharp lines and rims-almost looks matte proof by those rims, though it's not one I'm sure. I think it would get a 65. Give us better photos. The eye appeal is top notch. 65 RB we hope!
     
  8. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    65 RD in NGC, 64 or 65 RB in PCGS

    65 RD in NGC, 64 or 65 RB in PCGS.
    Very nice coin and might go 68 in a PCI! No just kidding - you know me and how I feel about slabs.

    Truthfully, I'm serious now - It is a nice coin and if ever cleaned it was very well done long ago as it is now almost undetectible.
    In the photo of obverse it sort of looks dished out or overstruck, (to much pressure) but it may just be the angle of photo.
    A very nice coin but would never 66 because of whats already been mentioned.
    ANACS would probably give it a 65 RD also.
     
  9. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Nice! Rlm!

    What ever it grades !
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It never even crossed my mind that that coin would make red. That would be a dream if it were to come true.

    As for the dished look, it seems to dissipate when I blow the picture up. I think that most (some?) of that is the cropping and background he uses.
     
  11. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    Am I............................

    ..........just curious. what would a nice one like that already slabbed compare to the price of that one raw? after figuring in grading fees etc.?
     
  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    First, there are a lot of people who do not like slabbed coins.
    Second, there are even more who put a price limit on what they slab - usually the slabbing fees should be less than 10% of the coin value. Slabbed at 65RB, that coin is less than a $200 coin and it will cost most people over $20 (with shipping et al) to get it slabbed.

    In the end, I would be happier were it slabbed, but probably would not have bought it because the price would have been 50% more than what I paid - and that is not based on $200. And, just in case, the seller has a good return policy.
     
  13. Harryj

    Harryj Supporter**

    If the actual coin looks like the pic you should be ok. You have seen the coin in hand and should have a better feeling than anyone else.
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    From the photos the surface does look a little rough to me, as in acid-rough.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    MS65 is supposed to be a GEM coin, purely my opinion but I don't see how a coin with fingerprints could be considered to be GEM. So yes, I think it should aplly to all coins.
     
  16. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I see what you mean, but I think what you are seeing is just how those early Lincoln's are struck sometimes -- they almost look like matte proofs (and this coin has that look, so while I doubt that it is, the OP may want to check the coin once it arrives to be sure he's not hit the jackpot)...Mike

    p.s. good eye on that possible scratch, G -- I missed that.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    People that know their coins won't pay any more for a slabbed coin than they will for the same coin raw. The advantage for people who know their coins with buying raw is that the seller usually can't grade very well either, so often the coin is offered for less than it is actually worth.

    It is typically only those who don't know their coins that pay more for slabbed than raw because they are insecure in their own grading ability.
     
  18. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    am I going to.............................

    .........what i was saying, is, if someone wanted a slabbed coin (hypothetically) why not look for one already slabbed, for the same money. i guess i was thinking economically but not necessarily pertaining to this situation. didn't mean to confuse anyone.
     
  19. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    My guess would be a 64 or 65 RB.

    GD is right, may times these raw coins sell for less than value because a good eye can reasonably predict a grade and spot them. If the TPG can see past the scratch, it has a good shot at a nice grade.

    As a seller, the best option is to get that into a PCGS 64 or 65 RB holder with a trueview, it will FLY off the shelf ( usually at a price MORE than it is worth,) I see it all the time.
     
  20. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    It's a beautiful coin, it's very MP-like. Congrats!

    If I can't clearly see the surface, all I can offer is a guess. Grading MS coins from small pictures is nearly impossible IMO. It's difficult enough to grade from pictures since they can be very deceptive, but when you get into the MS grade every little hit is important. My guess...at least MS-64 RB.
     
  21. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    well if worn coins can find themselves in 64 holders whats wrog with a fingerprint as long as they dont give a 70 ill be ok. BTW i saw a 75 today should have saved u a pic i was laughing so hard hahahah :D
     
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