An honest mistake. Which just means you've failed to make an impression on me. And I'm sorry to learn that an ancient coin collector would say such things, with more than 100,000 people hospitalized right now and almost 2,000 dying every single day. Never mind the long-term effects on those who survive. As if all of that means nothing.
Also from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/late-sequelae.html People don’t want to die, but people (like me) also don’t want to live suffering, or risk passing it on to others, like our loved ones.
I guess it is time to sell all of my ancients and never venture into this forum again. For what is the point if I cannot appease ye, o mighty one?
More like 2% total case fatality when accounting for all deaths per John Hopkins See https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality So let us do some math: The 2019 population of the USA was 328.2 million persons 2% of 328.2 million is 6,564,000 persons dead in the USA alone. This is not counting the multitudes of persons who will be temporarily and permanently disabled. Here are some numbers to compare to the current plague per the VA: https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_wars.pdf Total US combat deaths in WW1-53,402 Total US combat deaths in WW2-291,557 Total US combat deaths in Korea(50-53)-33,739 Total US combat deaths in Vietnam-47,434 Total US combat deaths from 1776-1991-651,031 Immediate deaths from the September 11th terrorist attacks-2,977 Current US deaths due to SARS 2 Coronavirus as of 12-5-2020- 275,386 New US deaths from SARS 2 Coronavirus from 12-4-2020 to 12-5-2020-2,861 For the last 20 days the amount of people in the USA have died from COVID per day as if a 9/11 attack were roughly occurring on each of those days. This virus doesn't care who you are, it doesn't care where you live, it doesn't carry a passport, it doesn't care about our religion or ideology. It is an intracellular obligate parasite and each and every one of us is a potential host for it to multiply and spread.
According to the CDC, John Hopkins‘ numbers are much higher than reality. Survival rate of youngsters is 99.997%. Ah yes, the wholly unrealistic and alarmist 100% transmissibility argument. Don’t forget about the vaccine thingy. Per CDC, 2.84 million people died in the US in 2018. Equating to VA statistics is a farcical argument. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm We’re at 2.83 million now. I guess we’ll see where we end up. https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states And here is the crux of it all. Very rarely are pathogens contained, and they are only contained when herd immunity is reached. Suggesting that all of this was preventable is folly. I knew this back in February, and I am wholly unsurprised about how the numbers played out; it was inevitable. You can take all of the protective measures you want (and I get and support the logic of “flattening the curve”), but the pathogen will find a way to spread.
I can't speak for the country as a whole but as of today in Florida, there have been 1.04 million COVID cases (~ 5% of the population) and 18,993 COVID deaths (1.8% of infections). As a Florida resident, senior citizen and long-time FUN member, I'm neither surprised nor disappointed by the decision to cancel.
Case fatalities= total dead from a disease divided by total persons diagnosed for the disease over a given time. The virus just doesn't target "youngsters", it targets every single person alive. With out social distancing and mask guidelines being followed the average infected person will infect 5.7 others. Now you can't have a .7th of a person, but that is an aggregate of the data. See https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article Also, how on earth do you plan to have herd immunity without a safe and effective vaccine? You do realize that above 90% of a population has to either be vaccinated( still will be many months away for most of the population) or have previous exposure to the virus. The problem being that it is a new virus that no one has had contact with and by definition cannot have developed herd immunity. Many needless deaths and pain would occur if your idea was put into action. You are not taking into account of excess deaths in 2020 vs deaths from previously reported years at regular intervals. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm Again, a big thing to overlook. Oh really? While it is true that virus that are airborne and transmissible from person to person are notoriously difficult to contain, the international community successfully did that in 2002 and 2003 with the original SARS Coronavirus outbreak. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002–2004_SARS_outbreak Also here are some other recent outbreaks of airborne viruses that were contained due to proper alert mechanisms and government responses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Nipah_virus_outbreak_in_Kerala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Middle_East_respiratory_syndrome_coronavirus_outbreak
You are confused here - by a factor of 100. These numbers are not percentages. It's not 0.003% of the infected who are dying - the 0.003 is the fraction of those dying - so 0.3%. P.S. I'm not sure where the 0.003 comes from - I followed a link to the cdc.gov, I believe posted by you, updated on 10th September. The "Scenario 5: Current best Estimate" has different fatality ratios for different age groups - 0.00003 for 0-19 years (0.003%), 0.0002 for 20-49 years (0.02%), 0.005 for 50-69 years (0.5%) and 0.054 (5.4%) for 70+ years. Perhaps with the age profile of the population of wherever you are, you get to 0.003 (0.3%). ATB, Aidan.
You should be aware that not only has the counterfactual "no excess deaths" claim been repeatedly debunked, but the story on which it's based -- in a student newspaper, no less! -- was retracted. See https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-covid-19-had-no-impact-overall-us-deaths-this-year-1552506; https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false-claim-of-no-excess-deaths-in-2020/; https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV. And, of course, herd immunity has never been achieved absent a vaccine, with the single possible exception of the 1918 flu. Sweden recently admitted that its own herd immunity strategy was a complete failure, at the price of a number of deaths that's a multiple of those of its Scandinavian neighbors. All to achieve, at most, 30% exposure, less than half of what's necessary. How many more deaths would be necessary? Or perhaps it doesn't matter because it's "only old people"? Sorry, grandma! I'm going to the coin show and having FUN! By the same token, the claim that it's impossible to stop the virus or even flatten the curve -- so I suppose we might as well do nothing -- is completely belied by the countries that have been remarkably successful in doing just that. And don't forget the claim of minimal mortality, repeated with self-satisfied smugness but impossible to reconcile with facts on the ground, consisting of the deaths already occurred as a percentage of the highest possible estimates of the numbers infected. Putting numismatics back at the center where it belongs, how can I trust what anyone says about coins when they're willing to peddle such blatant misinformation -- not even half-truths? (Entirely leaving aside the callousness it represents.) I can't. That's why we have an ignore button, which I will now employ. Bye!
I'm going to be very softy softy with this short reply......As me and my doctor friends (reading the responses) are very much in the minority at the moment! Plus I don't feel a coin Forum is the place to discuss such a sensative topic.....I don't really know what is happening in the States at the moment so I can only comment on my experiences here in Europe and the UK....If anyone wants to pm me feel free as it would probably be interesting to hear what is actually going on from the horses mouth rather than the censored media. The only thing I will say is with and of! Here's the only coin I've ever bought from a coin show, as they are few and far between in my neck of the woods....It's a sweetie!
