Is ICG really as bad as many people say?

Allan, post: 5179592, member: 41932"]What I think is ICG and ANACS can do some upgrades to make them a better TPGS and just wish that they would that's all.

Thanks! Of course you are correct.

We'll see about some changes for the New Year but no Registry Sets. We could do a ICG Label Registry for our coins that crossed.

 

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No matter what their self-written bios say, this is far too small a team of “experts” to have any hopes of them being able to properly or consistently grade coins from over the past 1500 years across hundreds of countries/principalities. Non-USA coins are where I primarily collect, and ICG is all over the place.

 

It accomplished plenty except the out of context judgement of said statement.
One day you will find that your statements can be construed as ignorant and foolish as the next, Get off the bandwagon.

 

brg5658, posted: "No matter what their self-written bios say, this is far too small a team of “experts” to have any hopes of them being able to properly or consistently grade coins from over the past 1500 years across hundreds of countries/principalities. [So I guess you think the less qualified PCGS coin graders of foreign coins are much better because THERE ARE MORE OF THEM. OMG ] Non-USA coins are where I primarily collect, and ICG is all over the place."

1. I challenge you to quit hiding behind your icon and post your bio either here or in a confidential PM to me. I'll look forward to getting to know you!

2. As a proclaimed foreign coin expert (because of your opinion above), let's see some poorly graded ICG World Coins with blue labels. Some links will do. We can all play guess the grade.

 

Are you saying that you believe that ICG is more qualified than an international team based on multiple continents?

 

This argument is getting bizarre, but I like it, what are the bios of the PCGS (or other TPGS) graders that you believe are better? I think it would be helpful to compare apples to apples. Who are the members of the "international team based on multiple continents" - that's the key question for comparison purposes. Being "international" and / or "based on multiple continents" are not really qualifications that matter when it comes to grading, are they?

 

I think I know the answer to the following comments but will throw it out there anyway. Where is the line drawn at the TPGs for who grades the high valued coins vs the common lower valued coins? It seems obvious to me that with the volume of coins being submitted for grading that the handful of "true experts" don't even look at most of the coins that are submitted. My guess is that the turnover rate for "lower tier graders" is relatively high across all of the TPGs. I'm sure that the few experts at IGC have the skills to evaluate a high valued coin just as well as the few experts at PCGS and NGC. So my guess is that the quality of a grade depends on the experience level of the graders, which isn't a constant.

 

I know that Insider is a wee bit "different" than many, but he does know his stuff. I get the idea that he is the main ( maybe only) person that attributes the odd stuff at ICG. He found a couple of problems that neither I nor PCGS nor NCG had noticed on coins ( graded 64-65). And all of these were the same coin type from same source. Insider is a good man with a scope and grudgingly I saw it. Since PCGS didn't notice it, I will send the bad ones to them to do and the good ones to ICG. Jim

 

uh...which one?

 

Post #321 back on Page 17:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-icg-really-as-bad-as-many-people-say.325027/page-17

 

So because you don't need it to be happy, that makes it a "gimmick." I view the registry as an invaluable tool to organize and display my collection. Additionally, I like to look at others collections and compare them to my own. Everything the registry provides makes me happy. I don't understand the need to cast the registry in a negative light simply because it is a tool you don't personally need.

BTW, all you guys who participate in the NGC Registry, 10AM today was the deadine to update your sets for the 2020 awards. Hope you finished your updates, took me till 3AM to write descriptions for all my NEWPS & upgrades in 2020.

I am going for the hat trick in the Best Presented Set category. Check out my set by clicking the link below and see how to use the registry to its full potential.

The Atlantic City Set of Jefferson Nickels

 

baseball21, posted: "]Are you saying that you believe that ICG is more qualified than an international team based on multiple continents?"

What I am saying is that you have just ducked another of my questions/requests/disagreements AGAIN. No PM either.

I only ask to be able to judge the "quality" of your opinions.

 

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Lehigh96, posted: "So because you don't need it to be happy, that makes it a "gimmick." [I've already posted an acceptable English usage of this word. What makes the Registry a "gimmick" IS BECAUSE IT IS - a great marketing tool to raise revenue and add to some collectors need for enjoyment. That includes sharing their collection. ] I view the registry as an invaluable tool to organize and display my collection. [ One need] Additionally, I like to look at others collections and compare them to my own. [ One need] Everything the registry provides makes me happy. [ Me too] I don't understand the need to cast the registry in a negative light simply because it is a tool you don't personally need." [I consider anyone who thinks I view any TPGS Coin Registry in a negative way to be extremely CLUELESS! The other only other alternative - illiterate, cannot possibly apply to any CT members]

Good Luck in the contest to see who has the best Registry Set - another need.

 

desertgem, posted: "I know that Insider is a wee bit "different" than many, but he does know his stuff. I get the idea that he is the main ( maybe only) person that attributes the odd stuff at ICG. He found a couple of problems that neither I nor PCGS nor NCG had noticed on coins ( graded 64-65). And all of these were the same coin type from same source."

Thanks Jim,

While I don't remember the specific coins, I'll bet some of what I found was due to that non-standard, floating term "Market Acceptability that is applied differently at each TPGS depending on the coin type, value, grade, etc.

 

I think the registry is just fine...but the points and awards is a gimmick designed to increase the revenue for PCGS and NGC. It’s a very clever gimmick but it’s still a gimmick.

 

In case it needs to be said again to anyone on this forum, coin quality is continuous and grades are, by definition, discontinuous. They are slots into which we try to slip our coins.
Grades - slabbed or raw - are no more than someone's opinion at a particular point in time; at another point in time, the same person quite possibly gives the same coin a different grade. Why? Maybe his spouse yelled at him or he had a fender bender on the way to work this morning, or maybe he got lucky last night. Anyone who thinks things that happen outside of the grading room don't affect assigned grades is deceiving himself. All graders are human.
Grades are NOT sacred.

 

Good luck and congrats! I had no idea there was such a thing as registry sets / contests before this thread, which amuses me as I’ve been collecting off and on for 40 years or so. I can see the attraction I think. If you’ve got nice stuff show it off / share it. Like dog shows sort of.

 

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