Question about luster

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Rushmore, Feb 8, 2009.

  1. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    Is it normal for XF Coins to have a lot of luster or is the coin just cleaned?
     
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  3. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    possibly polished
     
  4. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    #1 The EF coin should have some wear on the high points. Sometimes a weak strike can be confused with wear. If you have a weak strike and no wear, then it would not be surprising to find luster on the fields

    #2 if you truly have an EF coin then it should have luster on the fields only where the fields are protected by devices. The field areas that are out in the open & not protected by the devices should normally not have luster. Those open areas of the fields should have EF wear just like the high points have EF wear.

    #3 An EF coin which looks to have much luster & shine may have been polished.

    Very best regards,
    collect89
     
  5. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    or more likely whizzed
     
  6. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    "Luster" and "shine" should not be confused. If the coin truly has luster, great. If it is just shinier than it should be, probably cleaned.
     
  7. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Yes, XF coins should have luster. "A lot" is difficult to quantify, but typically XF coins have between 50% and 10% luster left, depending on the type.
     
  8. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    The coin I am talking about is a 1900 Morgan Dollar.
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Here's an XF morgan dollar (or at least what PCGS graded XF 45):

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    The obverse has about 15% luster, and the reverse about 25% luster, as is typical on Morgan's in XFish holders.
     
  10. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    So much depends on where the coin was, how it was handled, who did what to it. By that I mean if someone carried a coin for a long time in a pocket made of soft material, the coin could show wear and still have luster. If dipped in someting, it too could have luster. If held in a hand while waxing a car, it could have a real shine or luster. If a UNC coin was put into one of those rock tumblers, it could come out XF and shine like new. Way to many variables.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ya know Carl, it's even getting hard for me to tell if you are talking tongue in cheek or not anymore :rolleyes: Use a smiley once in a while.

    And Rushmore, to make sure that you understand - luster is caused by the flow lines on a coin that has seen little if any wear. Rarely does a coin that grades VF or any lower have much if any luster left. XF coins, in many cases & depending on denomination, are required to have as much as 50% of the original luster remaining in order to be worthy of the XF grade. The higher you go, the more luster there must be.

    And do not confuse shine with luster. A coin can be polished or whizzed and shine like the sun - but if it is, it will not have any luster whatsoever. You have to be able to tell the difference.
     
  12. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    A rule of thumb for (TPG) grading coins with luster:

    Unbroken luster in fields - MS
    Between 100% and 50% luster in fields - AU
    Between 50% and 10% luster in fields - XF
    Between 0% and 10% luster in fields - VF
    No luster - F and below.

    While there are exceptions to every rule, the above is a good rough guide to grading by luster (which is primarily how I grade, and how I believe the first-tier TPGs grade too*)....Mike

    * = before they market the grade higher or lower based on other attributes.
     
  13. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    I took the Dollars I bought and showed them to a dealer today and they were cleaned. At the show they were in mylar holders and looked dull.
     
  14. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    Gee, whiz. Not to knock the coin or anything, but who would send in a circulated 1921 Morgan to be certified at PCGS?
     
  15. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    brother lead is prime form when he does not have his suspicious glasses on :thumb:
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    One of the thousands that don't know any better.
     
  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    FWIW, it wasn't me who sent it to PCGS -- I traded for the coin already in the slab.

    That said, to answer your question, take a look at the word TRUST on the reverse, do a little research into 1921-D VAMs, and report back what you find. ;)
     
  18. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    That's one of the most useful posts I've ever read. Short but packed with valuable insight. Thanks!
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yup, vairieties do come into play. I should have considered that before opening my mouth :p
     
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