Antioch on the Orontes

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have a Pius coin with Tyche but it's Laodicaea ad Mare...

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  3. Carl Wilmont

    Carl Wilmont Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the comments and posts containing positive feedback, interesting information and related coins! It was fun to see other coin types from Antioch that I don’t recall viewing before.

    @Shea19, @Bing, and @ominus1, those interesting third century coins of Tyche of Antioch in a temple show that this specific imagery persisted for several centuries.

    Another even later example is the Tyche of Antioch on @david@PCC’s coin from 312 AD. @David@PCC, I also appreciated seeing the other Antioch coin minted so shortly after the city’s founding. With 90 coins from Antioch in your collection to choose from, those were two very nice ones to share!

    Good examples of Tyche reverses were posted by @singig, @PeteB, and @ancient coin hunter . @ancient coin hunter, I enjoyed examining the detail on Tyche’s headdress on your coin.

    @dougsmit, thanks for introducing to the thread a coin from Antioch by Niger and with Minerva.

    @Broucheion, thanks for adding a second Antioch coin from the Seleucid period to the post. It’s good to have the Seleucid Kingdom represented here!

    @PeteB, at Antioch was one of the earliest Christian congregations comprised of men and women with Jewish and Gentile backgrounds. Peter, in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost following Christ’s death and resurrection, delivered the inaugural gospel sermon in which he outlined the keys to entering the kingdom under the new covenant. About 3,000 convicted believers, many of whom had come to Jerusalem from other countries for Pentecost, responded to his call to repent and be baptized. The Lord added these and later converts to the number of those who were being saved, forming the first church (translated from ‘ekklesia’ – ‘called out’) in Jerusalem. This is recorded in Acts 2. In Acts 10, Peter is also the one to first share the good news with Gentiles when he goes from Joppa to Caesarea to meet with a Roman centurion named Cornelius. In Acts 11:19-26, we read that some of the Christians who had left Jerusalem under persecution came to Antioch, and that men of Cyprus and Cyrene came to Antioch and preached the gospel to Greeks as well. The church at Jerusalem sent Barnabas to the congregation in Antioch and he was the one who went to Tarsus and brought Paul there. These two met with the church at Antioch for a year teaching many, and the disciples were first called Christians there. In the early church, there were some issues that had to be worked through between those with Jewish and Gentile backgrounds. Galatians 2 records a visit by Peter (Cephas) to Antioch that highlighted some of the friction that existed at times between the Jewish and Gentile converts, largely over elements of the first covenant that were not required under the new covenant such as physical circumcision and regulations related to foods. Paul and Barnabas traveled to the church in Jerusalem to consult with apostles and elders there on the matter (Acts 15).

    Thanks to @Al Kowsky and @Sulla80 for posting their very nice examples of the OP coin type that they own or formerly owned (you sold a beauty, @Al Kowsky!). I’m glad you liked the quotes from ancient writings on Orontes and the map. The topo map helped me picture the description of the river coursing through this terrain.

    @Al Kowsky, thanks also for the book recommendation. I’m going to further investigate it.

    @cmezner, I saw that you received an answer to your question on dating in another thread. I’ll only add a link to an article that you might find of interest that is on the Forvm Ancient Coins site: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Ancient Coin Dates

    For those in the US celebrating Thanksgiving tomorrow, I hope that you have an enjoyable and restful holiday!
     
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2020
  4. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

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    Time of Maximinus II Daia. Anonymous Æ 1/4 Follis
    310-313 AD
    Antioch mint, Officina 6 (S)
    Obverse: GENIO AN-TIOCHENI, Tyche of Antioch, turreted, wearing cloak and veil, seated facing on rock; at her feet, river god Orontes swimming right.
    Reverse: APOLLONI SANCTO, Apollo standing facing, head left, pouring libations from patera in right hand, kithara in left hand, S right, SMA in exergue.
    References: McAlee 170(c); Van Heesch 3(a).
    14mm; 1.69g; 11h.
     
  5. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Loved the coin and write up !

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    Trajan, Bronze - Laodicea, ca AD 114-115
    AUTOKR NER TRAIANOC ARICT(KAIC CEB), laureate head of Trajan right
    IOULIEWN TWN KAI LAODIKEWN BXR, Turreted bust of Tychee right, IOU in field
    9.97 gr
    Ref : Sear #1080


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    Trebonianus Gallus, AE 8 Assaria - SYRIA, Seleucis and Pieria. Antioch.
    AYTOK K G OYIB TPEB GALLOC CEB, Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right /
    ANTIOXEWN MHTPO KOLWN, Tyche seated facing within tetrastyle temple; below, river god Orontes swimming left; above temple, ram advancing right, head left; Delta and Epsilon across field. SC at exergue
    21.08 g, (30mm, 6h)
    Ref : Sear # 4350, McAlee 1181; SNG Copenhagen 292 (same rev. die).

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  6. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    I'm late to the party, but would like to add two to the thread.

    First, the same tet type as has already been posted multiple times above with the exception of the date. This one is 5 B.C. (see McAlee's footnote #152 in his excellent reference on Antiochene coinage re: the dating). Unfortunately my example is quite porous.
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    Basic details: 27 mm. 14.3 gr. Dated year 26 of the Actian Era (5 BC).
    Attribution: McAlee_180. Prieur 52. SNG Cop 131. RPC_4151.
    (Only 3 examples shown on RPC Online.)

    Secondly, below is a Nabatean with Tyche and "river god". Despite the obvious similarities of reverse, two differences are:
    (1) The mint city is Damascus rather than Antioch
    (2) The river is Chrysorrhoas (modern day Barada) rather than Orontes.

    Only the head of the river god is visible due to the typical tight flan on this type.
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    Nabataean Kingdom under Aretas III
    Damaskos mint, struck ca. 72/71 B.C.
    Obv.: Diademed head of Aretas III, right.
    Rev.: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΡΕΤΑ ΦΙΛΕΛΛΗΝΟΣ; Tyche of Damaskos seated on rick, left, holding cornucopia; river god swimming below; monogram off-flan to outer left.
    Diam.: 20 mm. Weight: 6.47 gr.
    Attrib.: Meshorer, Nabataea 6. HGC 10, 674 (R1).
     
  7. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Nice coins all. Here is one of my favorites from Antioch on the Orontes.


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    Syria, Antiochus III; 223-187 BC. Antioch on the Orontes, Series I, c. 223-211/10 BC, Tetradrachm, 16.96g. SC-1042.1; Newell WSM-1051. Obv: Diademed head of Antiochus III r., with youthful features, no sideburn, hair in bangs over forehead, dotted border. Rx: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ on r., ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ on l., Apollo, slight drapery on r. thigh, seated l. on omphalos, testing arrow and resting l. hand on grounded bow with grip marked by row of pellets; control marks in outer l. field.. EF / VF
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I only have a couple coins from Antioch on the Orontes (well, probly any of my Coins from Antioch would probly be on the Orontes)...

    SELEUKID
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    Seleukid
    Demetrios I Soter 162-150 BCE
    AE 17 serrate 16.8mm 3.9g
    Antioch on Orontes mint
    Horse Hd L -
    Elephant Hd R-
    SC 1646 SNG Spaer 1299-1304


    ROMAN
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    RI
    Publius Quinctilius Varus
    5-4 BCE
    AE20 8.0g
    Tetrachalkon
    Zeus
    Tyche
    Orontes Antioch Yr ZK
    RPC 4252 SNG Cop 92
     
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