100 lira gold coins ???? Victor EMM III

I trying to know the values of this coins , but i didn't found it ain any booK
italian gold L100, i think 1928, but not found yet. Victor emm III
So if someone can tell me more info regarding this coins of 32.25 gr in gold.
regards

 

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oK THE WEIGHT IS GOOD IT'S 32.25, so it's a good one, but what can be the values if this one??

 

Let's not jump the gun here. A wrong weight can demonstrate that a coin is fake, but a correct weight is only one step in the authentication process, as combinations of different metals can be "cooked" to match the weight of any metal, and especially in the case of rare items, counterfeits can be made of the correct metal and fineness.

Assuming it can be authenticated, there is only one way to accurately establish its value - put it up for auction at a major coin auction (NOT EBay for a rare item). By definition it will sell for its true value - the amount a willing buyer will pay a willing seller, with both parties in possession of all relevant facts.

When Krause mentions that an off-metal strike exists for a given coin, they are saying it is quite rare and there have not been enough recorded sales for them to form a value opinion.

 

In my opinion that is a third party copy. The actual 20 lire coin, dated 1925, has an "R" (the Rome mint mark) below the 20. This piece, however, has a little star instead. And if it was a test piece from the mint, it would usually say PROVA somewhere ...

Christian

 

Does the real 100 lire also have the Rome mint mark Chistian?

 

Hmm, did not know that there actually was a "real" 100 lire piece designed like this coin - I thought those were privately made pieces, but I could be wrong. (Just as I was wrong concerning the date - should have been "dated 1928" of course.) But as far as I know, all Italian coins (after 1892 anyway) have the R mint mark ...

Christian

 

100 lira

Thans for your answer, but wich is the best site for auctions of rare coins, teletrade no?? The person who let me this coins on deposit, is a 80's year old personn wich has all his coins from his father and they where all true.
Anyway if you can tell where i can send this coins, it will be great.

 

There is no `real' 100 lire coin of that type. There is however a gold 100 Lire fantasy piece listed in Bruce's `Unusual World Coins' noted as Bruce X1. It does not provide detail of the metal fineness for that one, but it does measure the same as the 20 Lire silver coin. If it's .9 gold it would wweigh in at circa 32.5, but if it is .5 gold it would weigh in significantly less.

I wouldn't imagine that it would carry any significant premium over bullion value (if genuinely gold).

The image of the fantasy in Bruce is not clear enough to determine if the mm is a star or R, but it does look like a star

 

I think this is may well be yet another case of `updateitis' Doug. Who knows.

My Krause is the 1999 edition, and it states for the 2O Lire silver piece:-

" Note: Similar 20 and 100 lire pieces struck in gold, silver and silvered brass are modern fantasies. Refer to UNUSUAL WORLD COINS, 3rd Editon, Krause Publications, 1992."

My copy of Unusual World Coins sadly is the first edition (1987) but it still lists the `piece', and as follows:

"The following listings are all considered fantasy types......

Vittorio Emmanuel III - 100 Lire....(etcetera) "

Both books are by Krause publications, Colin Bruce being one of KM's SCWC senior editors, and both books state clearly that the 100 Lire is considered a modern fantasy piece. My copy of KM's SCWC doesn't list a 100 lire of that type.

I can't see a piece that has for years been considered to be a modern fantasy all of a sudden been transitioned into a `bona fide'. Not impossible by any means, but that's like the Italian mint having suddenly confessed to having minted these pieces in the first place (and hoarding them too?) ...... I guess stranger things have happened, but if so, I didn't hear or read the confession anywhere.

If the piece is gold, then I suspect that it may very well be Bruce X1 (or whatever reference it has in the most up to date `Unusual World Coins') especially if the weight has been reported accurately, and the dimensions are right.

Ian

 

The 100 lire goldcolored only

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4941&item=3974016576&rd=1

 

There are fantasies dated 1923, 1928, and 1943 of Benito Mussolini.
That one is brass with silver plating (Bruce X6a). X6 has an entirely different reverse design from the others which have the same reverse as X1 (which has Vittorio Emmanuel III obverse).

Ian

 

I have a 2001 Italian 50,000 Lira gold coin which apparently is a commemorative and it is not yet listed in Krause. (At least not in my 2004 edition) Any one have any information concerning the Italian 2001 gold?

 

According to the 2005 Ed. KM#234 is a 7.5g, .900 gold proof, commemorating the 250th anniversary of the Palace of Caserta. It has a view of the palace on the obverse and a fountain on the reverse, along with the date and denomination. It's diameter is 20mm, and has the "R" mint mark of Rome. No mintage number is given, and its catalog value is $400. Bullion value is north of $80.

 

Thanks Roy, My dealer bought it in 2002 from another collector and he gave bullion value at the time and that is what I paid for it. I started a world gold collection in 2002 so he knew I would be interested but in the last 3 years I had not seen one offered on Ebay so I didn't really know much about the coin. My latest Krause didn't show the coin so I remained in the dark. You are absolutely correct on your description so I know we are talking about the same coin. Appreciate your help and information. Guess I will have to keep it a while!

 

Pretty good deal IMHO.

Krause is often high on its values for NCLT, but not often by a factor of five.