Are these denarii fake?

some look legit, then others seem not to..idk..i'd be timid n Leary ..unless its a good price or your willing to risk it..

 

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I think you might be confused.

Dr Prokopov is a numismatist and author who specialises in detecting modern forgeries. The FORVM fake coin database is labelled 'Dr. Ilya Prokopov's Fake Ancient Coin Reports' because he assists FORVM directly.

Peter

 

Thanks for information. I thought more about the Bulgarian school of forgery. I'm sorry to dr. Ilya Prokopov I put it in a bad context.

 

Time to hide from Roman coins again in favor of Chinese coins...

 

Even if a few are real why support someone who sells fakes? There are too many legitimate dealers I can support who would appreciate the business!

 

Okay, this is my very first post to any of these forums, but I had a question I just had to ask. How can you tell a fake ancient coin from a real one? Seems to me the poor strikes and rough images could be done easily and there would be few genuine coins to do verification. I probably could fake an old coin in my garage and claim that it came from a reliable source. Just wondering.

 

The same way people can tell whether any other coin is real: we study and learn about the coins we collect and also learn how fakes are made and buy from people who have done the same. There are definitely fakes out there too and most people here have been fooled at least once but the majority of coins on the market are and probably will always be authentic.

 

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/thumbnails.php?album=lastupby&uid=9275

There are alot fake reports Ilya Prokopov and i called him Doctor fake

 

Feel free to give this a try and see how well you do! Be sure to post the result on this site...

The complete answer to your question is lengthy and complex, but suffice it to say that all but a very few modern forgeries of ancient coins can be, and have been, detected. This doesn't mean that it's easy, or that forgers don't continue to create ever-better fakes, but creating a high-quality, undetectable forgery of a valuable ancient coin is very difficult.

 

i saw some owner 2 weeks ago selling coins just like it- it was so fake i couldnt believe they were thinking they would fool anyone other than a total noob.

I will see if i can find it if you are interested( they were on ebay)

 

I have thought about this before and am under the impression it would cost more to make a convincing forgery than it would to buy an authentic original. And by convincing I mean passing through several hands that are knowledgeable in that particular area from which that coin belongs, such as dealers, auction houses, even members here within their respective sub areas of expertise. Certainly knock offs are sold everyday on places like eBay, but I would expect very few if any would pass as authentic when looked at by several people knowledgeable in that particular area.
Now engraving a die can be a little tricky to determine cost of manufacture. I suppose if someone spends several months engraving, tweaking, ect a die and it does not pass as authentic then they lost all that time making money when they could have done something else.
So if someone wants to spend at least $1000 to make a Julia Titi (again that is convincing) which is worth $500 on a good day or spend the next 6 months doing the same is it worth it to them?

 

Thank you all for your replies. It's good to know you folks are here to keep me on the straight and narrow. . Guess I'll have to shut down my fake ancient coin factory!

 

There have been a variety of engravers in modern times who have had a good go.

Becker made dies back in the 1830s. Original struck examples of his work are collected by some people.



In more modern times we have Slavey.



and Lipanoff.



All of these were often used as the hosts to cast fakes since.

 

Some more interesting fakes from same source:
Clodius Macer, 3.2 gr, 17 mm, 10000 eur

Balbinus 3 gr, 18 mm, 200 eur

Galba 3.3 gr, 18 mm, 100 eur

Augustus 3.5 gr, 19 mm, 100 eur

 

RAMO SECCO, AE 700g, 11,5x7,3x2,1cm, 1600 eur

aes signatum, AE 1762g, 17,5x9,7x2,4cm, 5000 eur

Picenum, AE 585g, diameter 8,2cm, 1200 eur

 

The Paulina Denar of Roman Collector is authentic.

Fakes made by Lipanoff workshop (he was not alone he had employees) :
1. modern die fakes
2. transfer die fakes
3. recut transfer die fakes.

The fake maridvnvm posted seems to be a transfer die fake made from the authentic Lanz specimen. Someone has posted to another forum Lipanoff matrixes and plastic imprints (there was graphite applied on these to make them conductive and then matrixes were created using electroplating). And some copper positives not sure what they were exactly used for. He posted the recut transfer die and one copper positive of the Lanz specimen, which is from same sources as the Paulian obverse die. It seems like that many Lipanoffs are so deceptive because they are recut (often bust and hair) transfer die fakes.
Of course Liapnoff fakes exist which are completely free hand exist, too

Btw: there is a die match (reverse and obverse) to Roman Collector´s example currently for sale at ebay which is NGC slabbed.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Paulina-wit...002811?hash=item289eecad3b:g:lgYAAOSwMjVferQq

Die match to Roman Collector´s example :

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/5747005-009/NGCAncients/


So you can decide if I am wrong and NGC, too and these coins including the Lanz specimen are Lipanoff fakes from modern dies.
Or if Lipanoff recut the imprint taken from Lanz specimen and produced recut transfer dies (2 different obverses but position and size and shape of letters and size and position of Paulina are always identical, too identical = recut).
The question is why had Lipanoff a postive copper imprint of the Lanz obverse?
For producing a recut transfer die you need an imprint of an authentic specimen.
To produce modern hand cut dies there is no need for an imprint.