Vandalized George III Crown - Opinions?

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  1. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Can anyone give me an opinion about this coin? I can't find information about the countermark and wonder if the vandalized portrait is connected to it being countermarked. The countermark looks like a double elephant and castle.
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  3. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    This is what I believe to be the story of this coin: it was brought to India and circulated for a time there wherein the likely regional countermark was applied to legitimize its usage. A native Indian did not like British rule so symbolic strikes were made against the depicted monarch. It is quite an historic piece when you think about it.
     
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  4. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Interesting. I was unaware of countermarks being used on British coinage in India. Would like to learn more about this.
     
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  5. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    The elephant and castle is the symbol of Coventry, right? Such as on this Coventry Lady Godiva 1/2 penny Conder token from 1793. I doubt that coin made it as far as India unless there is an additional reason to think so.
    Lady Godiva Halfpenny 1793 copy.jpeg

    Vandalizing coins of monarchs you didn't like was not uncommon.
    For example: An 1807 5 Francs defaced by someone who disliked Napoleon
    France Napoleon 5 Francs 1807 copy.jpeg

    An 1866 2 Francs stamped "Sedan" in protest of Napoleon III's defeat and capture by Prussia in the Battle of Sedan
    Napoleon III 2Fr 1866 "Sedan" copy.jpeg

    I think in an era without free speech, vandalizing coinage was one of the few ways one
    could quietly express disapproval of a monarch. The coinage would be to valuable to
    discard, ensuring multiple people would be likely to see it, and it would be very difficult
    for the authorities to find and punish the defacer.
     
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  6. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Do you know why this might have been counter marked in Coventry? A merchant's mark?

    Very interesting information, thank you! I was reading that George III was generally well liked in Britain, or at least England. A coin with this late date probably wasn't circulating in the U.S. It's interesting to imagine what someone's motive would be for taking the trouble to deface the portrait like that.

    Do you think something like this is reasonably collectible? Any idea of a possible value for this thing?
     
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  7. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    A merchant's mark would be my guess, but I'm mostly familiar with countermarks
    in Asia. I haven't seen them much on European coins which stayed on that
    continent. I assume the defacement was done by a separate party.

    All the defaced coins I've bought (I think it's just those 2 I posted) were got at a
    significant discount compared to the price of an intact coin. I like them for the
    history, but I don't think there's much collector's value. George III might have been
    less popular after his madness left him incapable of governing (around 1810). I
    think his son and prince Regent, the future George IV, was disliked. Among other
    things he only had one daughter by his wife, but had many children by his
    mistresses, which made the succession complicated. Or so I hear.
     
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