Rebellion Coinage?

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  1. Obone

    Obone Well-Known Member

    As someone who collects Chinese and ancient coins, I was browsing numisbids when I noticed this really nice medallion from the Ming dynasty, minted under the short lived Daxi Kingdom, which was controlled by the leader of a peasant rebellion.

    That got me thinking, I want to embark on putting together a collection of coins that focuses on the theme of rebellion, coins minted by either the Rebels or celebrating their defeats.

    Does anyone have any input as to which coins fall under this category? Off the top of my head, I can think of the Judaea shekels and Bar Kochba coins, corresponding with the Judaea Capta Denarii. I can also think of a couple of Chinese coins like those of the Taiping rebellion, and some Irish gunmoney coins. Does anyone have any more examples?

    Post your rebellion coins too!
     
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  3. Obone

    Obone Well-Known Member

    I could think of a couple of coins issued by rebels of Ancient Rome too, such as Vindex, and pretty much every emperor from the Year of the Four Emperors.
     
  4. EWC3

    EWC3 (mood: stubborn)

    Interesting idea – but I think it needs a bit of a clarification. The Ming dynasty itself started with a rebellion against the Yuan. The Abbasids were rebels against the Omayyads. Indeed, Islam was a rebellion against Rome. So I guess you are thinking more about interesting but short lived failed revolts?

    There must be loads – here are a couple that spring to mind.

    Ashtor wrote at some length about a guy who led a revolt against the Abbasids - nick named “The Abomination”. He apparently organised a state primarily for runaway black slaves which according to text got as far as striking coin. Whether specimens are known I never checked - but they will be rather expensive if so.

    Ala-ud-Din Muhamed Khalji (who I maintain was not a kind of Stalin) took an unorthodox lenient approach to his Hindu subjects. His incompetent son Mubarak went further – taking as his boyfriend a “new convert” to Islam - Khusru. On Mubarak’s death Khusru attempted to take control of the Sultanate, favouring “new converts” but the administration was quickly quashed by the old ruling classes (of Afghan etc descent). I mention this because the dugani of Khusru are scarce but not rare, so you probably could pick one up.

    Rob
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member



    In AD 260, Postumus led a rebellion against Emperor Gallienus, heir and son of Valerian I. Postumus succeeded in capturing Gaul, Spain and Britain, beginning what would become known as the first Gallic Empire.

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    Postumus, AD 260-269.
    Roman AR Antoninianus; 2.39 g, 19.4 mm, 12 h.
    Cologne, AD 265-268.
    Obv: IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: PROVIDENTIA AVG, Providentia standing left, holding globe and hasta pura.
    Refs: RIC 80; Cohen 295; DeWitte 247; RCV 10977; Hunter 75.
     
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  6. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Here is a link to some of the emperors who rebelled against the Roman Empire that I have in my collection:

    The Breakaway Empires
     
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  7. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Struck by Postumus not too long after the rebellion:
    Rom – Postumus, Antoninian, Kaiser stehend.png
    Postumus, Gallic Roman Empire, AR antoninianus, 261 AD, Trier mint. Obv: IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG; bust of Postumus, laureate, draped, cuirassed, r. Rev: P M TR P COS II P P; emperor helmeted, standing l., holding globe in r. hand and long spear (pointsup) in l. hand. 24.5mm, 2.94g. Ref: Mairat 108/109; RIC V Postumus 54.


    A horrible example of this type, albeit an interesting one: the Alexandrian folles sporting an eagle were struck under Domitius Domitianus, who shortly usurped power in Egypt. His rebellion didn't end well.
    Rom – Diokletian, Follis, Alexandria (unter Ursurpator).png
    Diocletian (struck under Domitius Domitianus), Roman Empire, AE1 ("follis"), 295–296 AD, Alexandria mint. Obv: IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; head of Diocletian, laureate, r. Rev: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius, wearing modius, nude, chlamys draped over l. shoulder, standing l., holding patera in r. hand and holding cornucopiae in l. hand; at feet to l., eagle holding wreath in its beak; in field r., B; in exergue, ALE. 26mm, 8.96g. Ref: RIC VI Alexandria 18a.

    This little coin was struck just after the Cologne Diocesan Feud – in a nutshell, the city had rebelled against the ruling archbishop, won, and now began to strike its own coins:
    MA – Deutschland etc., Köln, Brakteatenheller, 15. Jh..png
    Imperial City of Cologne, civic issue, AR bracteate heller, 1474–1493 AD, Cologne mint. Obv: civic coat of arms: three crowns above five flames. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 14.5mm, 0.31g. Ref: Noss 31. Ex Ernst Otto Horn Collection.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    MERCENARY WAR 241-238 BCE -
    Carthage Mercenary Troops REBEL against Carthage

    A NASTY war, even by Ancient standards...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary_War

    Between Carthage and Libya
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    Carthage-LIBYAN UPRISING - Mercenaries issue
    Mercenary War 241-238 BCE
    7.36g AR DiShekel
    Herakles Head in Lion's Head-
    Lion walking; Punic M above; LIBYA below
    R SNG Cop 240f
    Overstrike
    Coins were struck in the name of Libya and "M", which has been taken as either "machanat" - the Camp (of the mercenaries), or perhaps Matho, their leader.

    Sardinia
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    Carthage - LIBYAN REVOLT Rebels 241-238 BCE 9.63g 24mm Shekel Sardinia mint Tanit 3 Grain ears Crescent SNG Cop 247
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    OUST NERO!

    VINDEX


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    RI Civil War VINDEX 68-69 CE AR Denarius 3.22g Gallic mint SALVS GENERIS HVMANI Victory l globe - SPQR in wreath RIC 72 BMCRE 34-36 RSC 420 R

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    RI Civil War Revolt of Vindex CE 68-69 AR Denarius ROMA RESTITVTA - IVPITER LIBERATOR Jupiter seated r Tbolt Scepter 17mm 3.02g RIC I 62 RSC 374-RARE
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I posted this before, but this the ROMAN SIDE of the Social War

    SOCIAL WAR / MARSIC WAR 91-88 BCE

    Year 1. Opening Volley ; Uh-ohhh! This is REAL... 91 BCE
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    RR Junius Silanus 91 BCE Denarius Roma B behind Biga I above S 225 Cr337-3



    Year 2. 90 BCE Oh, CRAP! They are gooder than we thought!
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    RR L Calpurnius Piso Frugi AR Quinarius 90 BCE 13 mm 1-93 g 2 h Rome Laureate head of Apollo right uncertain symbol behind Victory advancing right holding wreath and palm Cr 340-2 Calpurnia 13


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    RR Vibius Pansa 90 BCE AR Denarius Apollo V control - Minerva Quadriga Sear 242 Cr 342-5 Social-Marsic War


    Year 3. 89 BCE! Wow, Rome finally won militarily, but LOST politically, granting everything the Italians asked for!
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    RR AR Quinarius 89 BCE M Porcius Cato Liber Bacchus - Victory- Crawford 343-2. Sear 248


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    RR Titurius Sabinus 89 BCE AR Denarius Tarpeia buried shields S 251 Cr 344-2a


    Year 4. 88 BCE - Mop-up operations: Italians granted their rights; but the Samnites virtually EXTERMINATED by Sulla and the Gang.
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    RR Cn Lentulus Clodianus 88 BCE AR Quinarius Jupiter Victory crowning trophy Craw 345-2 S 255


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    RR Cornelius Lentulus Clodianus 88 BCE AR Denarius Mars Biga S 254 Cr 345-1
     
  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    SOCIAL WAR / Marsic Confederation

    MARSIC CONFEDERATION (Social War 90-88 BCE)
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    Marsic Confederation
    Denarius 89 BCE
    Obv: Italia
    Rev: Italia seated shields, -victory crowning, In Ex: retro B
    Corfinium Mint
    Campana 105 HN Italy 412a
    Sear 228 RARE


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    Marsic Confederation / Italian Allies
    Social War 90-88 BCE
    AR Denarius
    19x17.9mm, 3.7g
    Anonymous Issue, Corfinium Mint
    Obv: Italia head, l, ITALIA behind
    Rev: Oath-taking scene with eight warriors, four on each side, pointing their swords towards a sacrificial pig, which is held by an attendant kneeling at the foot of a standard. - Binding the Marsi, Picentines, Paeligni, Marrucini, Vestini, Frentani, Samnites, and Hirpini Tribes into the Marsic Confederation against Rome during the Social War
    Comment: The reverse is based on the gold Stater and Half-Stater from the Second Punic War, and the Ti Viturius denarius...
    Sear 227 SYD 621 SCARCE


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    Marsic Confederation
    AR Denarius
    Bovianum(?) mint, 89 BCE.
    3.93g, 20mm, 3h
    Obv: Laureate head of Italia left, VITELIA = ITALIA in Oscan script
    Rev: Soldier standing facing, head right, foot on uncertain object, holding inverted spear and sword, recumbent bull to right facing; retrograde B in exergue.
    Ref: Campana 122 (same dies); HN Italy 407
    Ex: Eucharius Collection.
    Ex: Roma Auction 11, Lot 607
     
  12. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Obone....Nice idea for a collecting theme..
    First Jewish Revolt against Rome, 66 - 73 CE - Bronze Prutah Masada Coin 17mm/2.85gr.
    Obverse..Vine leaf with small branch and tendril, surrounded by the inscription "Harut Zion"-('freedom of Zion').
    Reverse..Amphora with wide rim, fluted belly and two handles, Paleo-Hebrew inscription 'year two' 67 CE.
    JEK4.jpg
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CAMPANIA, CAPUA - Hannibal: When Hannibal came through Italia, he promised the Capuan Magistrates that Capua would become the capital of Italia should he destroy Rome. Obviously, the Roman Republic prevailed in the Second Punic War. Since Capua sided with Hannibal, all coins, and anything that Capua created to popularize Hannibal were destroyed, melted down, etc. Makes Capuan coins scarcer from this Era.

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    Campania CAPUA AE 14-5mm 216-211 Obv: Hera Rev: Oscan Grain ear Hannibal capital Italia SNG Fr 517 SNG ANS 219 HN Italy 500 EE Clain Stefanelli


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    Campania Capua 216-214 BC Æ Uncia 20.5mm 6.1g Laur hdJupiter r star value l Victory trophy star value r Monete 21 HN Italy 493


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    Campania CAPUA AE Uncia 216-211 BCE Diana Boar Hannibal capital Italia SCARCE

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    Campania CAPUA AE Semuncia 216-211 BCE Juno Xoanon Hannibal capital Italia SCARCE
     
  14. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    This coin was issued under the founder of the Ming dynasty, from 1361 to 1368, when he became emperor, although it could have been issued beyond that.
    3C28A39A-9CAC-424B-AD6D-3E97D08E9704.jpeg Da Zhong Tong Bao
    The other rebellious cash coins that immediately spring to mind are Annamese ones of Lê Lợi after the Ming conquered parts of it in the early 1400s and some from Xinjiang in the 1870s.
     
  15. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    I have a few that I think qualify.

    Postumus, AE double sestertius, 260-269 AD

    Postumus AE Double Sestertius, Roma E-Sale 58.jpg

    Judea, first revolt, AR shekel, year 3, 68/69 AD

    D-Camera Jewish Revolt, Shekel, Year 2, Ponterio, 13.7 grams,  8-11-20.jpg

    Judea, Bar Kokhba, AR shekel, no year, circa 134-135 AD

    D-Camera Judea, Shekel, Bar Kochba, Second Revolt, No Date,, 6-21-20.jpg


    Heraclian Revolt, Heraclius, AE follis, year 3, Constantinople, circa 610 AD

    D-Camera Phocas Follis, double struck, Roma,, 6-24-20.jpg
     
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