1919 P Buffalo Nickel GTG & Poll

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Choose one grade and value

  1. Ms 62 $ 95

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Ms 63 $ 135

    1 vote(s)
    3.1%
  3. Ms 64 $ 235

    2 vote(s)
    6.3%
  4. Ms 65 $455

    10 vote(s)
    31.3%
  5. Ms66 $`1025

    13 vote(s)
    40.6%
  6. Ms 67$ 6895

    6 vote(s)
    18.8%
  1. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    The buffalo nickel is in fact one of the hardest coins to grade for most collectors. This 1919 P was obtained raw from the state of Texas! I won this specimen and a few others on ebay the seller the state of Texas. The coin was graded by NGC around 7 years ago...

    You see if you pass on and have a safety deposit box with no instructions it becomes the property of the state. The state does not want to hold onto your stuff until your relatives come forward.
    So many have stores on ebay that sell off the items found. Then hold the money in a numbered account in case someone does come forward to claim.
    After a set number of years.....the money not claimed becomes property of the state.

    Please post your thoughts as well take the poll . I also be interested if you believe it would CAC ? I will be posting grades and values to choose from.
    I must admit the values used are about 18 months ago. Taken from a market review.
    However do represent a true value for the time, as well show just how huge the price jump can be on these classic nickels. 20201119_123629.jpg 20201119_123730.jpg

    * this specimen is also the B05-19PFJ-01 ADO FJ the floating jaw variety, no FS # and no values have been placed on the variety.
     
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  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I went with 66. Pretty cool coin.
     
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  4. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    MS-66
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    very strong reverse.
    nice
     
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  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    No idea on the grade but that sure is a purdy buff.
     
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  7. beaver96

    beaver96 Supporter! Supporter

    I think MS66 and it would garner a green bean at CAC.
     
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  8. UncleScroge

    UncleScroge Well-Known Member

    Very cool coin!
     
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  9. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Beautiful 66 coin. A guess on my part...I have a lot of trouble with Buffalos.
     
  10. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    I'm in the 66 camp. Absolutely beautiful specimen. The reverse is what I like to call a "Thor hammered" strike and is exceptionally clean. I wish the obverse on this one matched the reverse. I think the obverse holds it back from a bean.
     
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  11. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    20170806_163029.jpg

    Here is what the buffalo nickel looks like when you compare the Obv. With the Rev.
    You'll notice if you study over this tool how certain items end up clashed on the opposite side of coin. Perfect example the clashes on the cheeks . The floating Jaw comes into play just as the 1937 d Three legger lost his leg. Filed down and completely gone from the coin. If you look at this specimen look closly at the angle of the jaw . You can't see it but there's file lines then poished how you can tell is the grey shades under the chin to the neck . Those two shades of grey are where the die was reworked to most probably to remove ..... the EPU clash. Again examine the chin and under the shape of has been filed down ,removing any clash ,and cutting down the chin and jaw line.
     
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  12. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    I also voted MS66. Beautiful coin.
     
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  13. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    The 1919 Buffalo was minted in large quantities after the crest of WW l .
    There was an economic boom ,and business were strong.
    Now so many die pairs were used that coins were all over the map in the terms of sharpness ,
    and luster.
    And this specimen shows once again where a fresh rev. Die was paired with a obv. Die that has been reworked, and the strike as well luster shows.
     
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  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I am in the MS66 camp as well, very nice looking Buffalo.
     
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  15. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    The reverse is about as good as I've ever seen.
     
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  17. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I voted MS66 but upon closer examination, I'm not sure if the "chip" at UNUM would lower the grade or not.
     
  18. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I seem to be slightly in the minority here. I look at the coin and would grade it an overall 65. The reverse is most certainly the star of the coin. However, I feel that the obverse with it's worked die and slightly weaker luster hold it to a 65 rather than a 66.

    Edit: I believe it would easily pass CAC as a 65 with a shot at 66. In hand, my opinion may change on the grade from a 65 to 66. :)
     
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  19. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Not a chip or a ding ....but a normal area that clashed .....you didnt read my post above about buffalo clashes esspecially under the chin .....look at the template see how the EPU and chin line up.
     
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  20. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I did read all of your post, but for that to be the ONLY indication of a clash didn't make sense to me, hence I said "chip."
     
  21. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Oh i understand but that area is a give away point both in the epu as well under the chin.
    I've seen coins with epu up side down under the chin.
    And my apologies if not explained correctly..... as a variety collector of the series I do collect I try and remember pick up points ( pups ).
    The reason why is so many varieties to begin with ,trying to remember each is a huge task.
    Like fishing one looks in the most obvious place first.
    As fish hold on structure so one would fish that first to see what holding.
    Same here just remember the items to check first...which are easyer to spot then trying to remember all the varieties out there.
     
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