Greek Orthodox Coins?

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  1. SharkbaitLucky

    SharkbaitLucky New Member

    Hello,

    I have family who are part of the Greek Orthodox church, and I was wondering if anyone had any insight into what ancient coins are connected with their church the most, that I could get for a (not too pricey) gift?

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Broucheion

    Broucheion Well-Known Member

    Hi @SharkbaitLucky,

    Being a Greek myself, the first thing that comes to mind with religious connections is a Helena LRB, given that she was made a saint and is credited with locating the ‘true cross’. You could add a Constantine to make a set of another Orthodox saint.

    - Broucheion
     
  4. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...As the eastern Orthodox equivalent of goyim, please allow me to be the one in the room with the nerve to suggest one of the anonymous folles, c. later 10th -earlier 11th century. There's some serious theology on the reverse legend. If they're (sorry for this) 'observant,' they'll get it.
    ...By way of other, unnecessary context, I was one of those people who grew up looking down my nose at Eugene Ormandy, but this time he nailed it.
     
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  5. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

  6. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    I am an Orthodox as well, and as what the others have already mentioned, there are plenty of economical choices for such a gift. Helena and Constantine is a fine idea, but if you want something bigger in size you can't go wrong with the anonymous follis series. You can get impressive coins with obvious Christian imagery for less than £100 even if you shop retail. Here is a couple of very recent examples of mine:

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  7. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Basically all Roman coins. But, if you want to get specific, collect from Constantine onwards. If you want Orthodox icons and symbols collect from the mid to late Byzantine period. Anonymous Folles could be what you're looking for.

    Remember at those time, there were fewer schisms, and the whole Empire was the Orthodox Church. So you can afford to broaden your horizons. Even coins of the tetrarchy, who were responsible for some persecution and execution of some well known saints, is a good place to go to collect.
     
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  8. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Orthodox here myself.
    There are a lot of coins with Christian symbols, starting with Constantine the Great, quite a lot with Chi-Rho symbols.
    But as Caesar_Augustus advised, the Great Schism was in 1054 so only after this we can speak about a break-up between Catholic and Orthodox churches.
    So you would "need" to stick to Byzantine coins.
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I have a couple Romaion / Byzantine Christ coins:

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    RO Andronicus II - Michael IX AD 1295-1320 AR Basilikon 22mm 2.1g Constantinople Christ enthroned labarum DOC V 1 Class VIII


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    RO Manuel I Comnenus 1143-1180 CE Aspron Trachy 35mm 4g Christ Gospels Labaran globus cruciger Virgin maphorium SB 1966 scyphate
     
  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    The Jesus facing coins are quite nice for their symbology as they hearken back to icons in appearance. I have two of them.
     
  11. SharkbaitLucky

    SharkbaitLucky New Member

    Wow, great stuff guy's. I'm excited to not only get a great gift for my Mom (she's an iconographer), but to also learn a LOT more about ancient coins/history in the meantime. Love it, thanks!
     
  12. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I know that some of the Emperors are saints in the Church, like Justinian the Great. Large issues of his reformed coins are readily available. It's quite nice to hold a piece of history from when the Roman Empire was finally getting the upper hand once more as a super power and liberating territory conquered by barbaric tribes only a hundred years prior. During this time period, there's a lot of Orthodox symbolism used on coins.

    Justinian the Great
    AE Follis
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    540 - 541 A.D., Nicomedia Mint, 1st Officina
    23.31g, 39.0mm, 6H

    Obverse: D N IVSTINIANVS PP AVG,
    Helmeted and cuirassed bust of Justinian I facing, holding globus cruciger and shield decorated with horseman motif; cross to right

    Reverse: -,
    Large M; A/N/N/O - X/II/II (R.Y. 14) across field, cross above, A below

    Exergue: NIKO

    Provenance: Ex. Numismatik Naumann Auction 60 Lot 593

    Reference: SBCV 201
     
  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...coins would be a kool gift....or perhaps something along these lines ...you could pick up an 'old believers' cross fairly reasonable(17th-18th century Rus).. OLD CROSSES 004.JPG
     
  14. Only a Poor Old Man

    Only a Poor Old Man Well-Known Member

    If she is an iconographer then there is no question that she will love the Jesus Christ follis. One important thing though... Where is your mother based? If she is living in Greece you will have to keep the receipt always together with the coin and as soon as she gets it, she will need to go to the nearest archaeological authority to get it registered. Otherwise she could get in trouble. Look it up. Greece has very strict laws regarding ownership of anything ancient.
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I would start with the name of the recipient's local congregation. If she attends a church named for a saint that is shown on a coin (George, Constantine, Helena) the choice becomes easy.
     
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  16. SharkbaitLucky

    SharkbaitLucky New Member

    In America, I didn't know that about owning ancient items in Greece! And I'll look into the name of her church for sure, totally overlooked that. So many Follis out there. Thanks again for every single reply! I'm set on a coin for Christmas, but something like that cross would be neat down the road!
     
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