1983p cent... is this a cud or maybe a retained cud?

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  1. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    Looks like this die cracked in a couple of places to maybe cause a cud? 1983fullobverse.jpg crop1983.jpg 1983fullrev.jpg
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Just like the Perfect storm.
     
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  4. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

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  5. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    It would appear to be, especially with the die crack going to Lincoln's bust on left of the spot, but these crappy Zincoln cents have all types of "errors" because of the material used.
     
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  6. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    Thank you Inspector43, I did look at the reference you provided but couldn't find a match. If a cud is caused by a die break at the rim, wouldn't this break just be called a cud?
     
  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Sure . :woot:
     
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  8. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I'm not much of an expert on that. But, they do differentiate between pre-cud and cud. If that section eventually breaks off the base metal will flow in and make what is called a cud.

    I'm hoping that someone with more experience will pop in and help you.
     
  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Me too . It's a Pre-Cud is my answer, but who am I ? Pr-Cud, final answer. :nailbiting:
     
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  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That still looks like an interior die chip to me. It is hard to tell if the rim has worn or the chip has crossed the rim to the edge of the coin.
    I would imagine that there is a later die state of the coin.
     
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  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Yea, I don't know. So, what's worth by the way ?
     
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    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  13. dollar

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  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Nov 14, 2020
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  15. Danomite

    Danomite What do you say uh-huh

    Looks like it may be a later die state of this:
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  16. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Supporter! Supporter

    Progression of the die deterioration could be rapid when it gets to this stage
    Or not so much
    Nice catch
     
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  17. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Although this die void is tiny, it does qualify as a cud.
     
  18. dollar

    dollar Junior Member

    "Although this die void is tiny, it does qualify as a cud".

    Thank you @mikediamond, I'm Renaming it as a cud.
     
  19. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    It's also a perfect illustration of why the ostensibly synonymous term "major die break" is ridiculous.
     
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