eBay seller is misleading buyers.

Ebay seller 279870 is selling a raw coin and using PCGS MS 70 in his title. I believe this is against ebay policy and should be pulled.

Auction # 140297284928

If enough people report this his auction may be pulled.

Bruce

 

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It only take 1 report to get it pulled - really. However, eBay is days behind acting on these.

 

That one is questionable. :goofer:

He didn't actually say it was PCGS MS-70 but he did put it in the title and because he put a numerical grade in the title and it isn't graded as such, I'd have to say it is reportable but considering we can't get Ebay to pull more flagrant scams, I doubt they will do anything about this but it doesn't hurt to try.

Thanks for sharing it with us and I will post it to the CFE Group. :thumb:

Ribbit

 

I would be willing to bet they would pull it, but maybe by Tuesday.

 

Yanked

 

That's amazing! They will pull items for violating their rules but not for being altered or counterfeit. :goof:

Pathetic!

Ribbit

 

Difference being they decide who breaks their rules, but they send out for another's opinion of counterfeir or altered.

 

Ebay seller is misleading buyers

Hi, just as I came here to ask you guys if I was doing something wrong, I am already a notorious criminal. I value the opinions on this board, but what did I do wrong?? I said a possible PCGS MS 70. Aren't we hoping that most of the coins we submit from the mint can get a MS 70?? This has never been out of the velvet box until I took the picture. They have all the fakes, and the coins in the made up holders, on E-Bay, but do nothing about them. This kinda ****es me off that somebody thinks I am misleading people. As far as I'm concerned, this does have a shot at a MS 70. As far as the guy who started this thread, and also e-mailed me, please don't ever bid on my stuff. If I see you I.D. , I will not sell it. I come home from work and see your e-mails, and didn't even have time to respond. I do this for fun, and have 100% positive feedback. I don't make money at this because I make bad choices. You don't believe me, then look at the 2006 W black Label Anniversary set I just sold for $808. When I bought it 2 years ago, I paid $1800. If you want a crusade, go after some of really bad guys, and quit jacking with me.

 

The rules say that you are not allowed to mention a numeric grade in the title un.less it is certified.

 

I didn't see the listing so I'm just going by what has been posted here.

There is no such thing as a "Possible" PCGS MS-70 coin. It either is or it is not. If your coin was/is a raw un-slabbed coin then it is NOT a MS-70 and certainly not a PCGS coin. You can opine all you want in the item's description. If you feel the coin is 100% perfect, then say so, but that doesn't make it perfect. Just don't infer that a top grading service would grade it the same way you do. Post it with good pictures and let them do the talking for you.

 

Actually, in the description, he cal call it MS72, if he wants. He just cannot put that or any numeric grade in the title. I don't understand the rule, I just explain what it is.

 

Check out his other coin auction. 20 1887 Morgans that he just picked up and made into a full roll. There's one in the photo that is in a slab. (Probably sgs) and the rest are raw. Then why does he mention, IN THE TITLE DESCRIPTION "PCGS"?. These 20 coins have nothing to do with PCGS. Again he is trying to mislead potential bidders that these coin are certtified by PCGS. Again we see a pattern of deception in thi guys auctions, I emailed him and asked him why he put PCGS in the title when it is obvious these coins have nothing to do with PCGS.

I believe he is somewhat dishonest and thinks putting PCGS in the title will get more watchers and maybe more suckers.

He has said that he will not answer my inqueries and not let me bid on his stuff. :crying:

Bruce

I really doubt that if he picked up these coins over the years tha all 20 of them are MS

 

Check out his other auction.

Is this also deceptive?

140298140563

Bruce

 

Hi LittleDog,

Although I personally have not sold on ebay in some time one DOES have to follow the rules. Whether or not you meant the title to be misleading is not the real issue. It was against the rules and people here on CT do tend to notice these types of things.
Perhaps your coin WOULD merit an MS70 from PCGS but unless it is in a PCGS MS70 holder it should not be mentioned in the title.

I work in a coin shop and we sell on ebay. We have to follow the rules like anyone else. I see coins that may go PR70 or MS70 every day but it's not in our title on a raw coin.
We slab stuff constantly. I often get elected to choose what "modern" coins we might send in and I'll share something with you.
I don't think I've seen an MS70 coin and very few PR70 coins IMHO. If it has even the tiniest of flaws it doesn't get it in my book.
I pick the best and, on occasion, it does get a 70 grade that I don't agree with.

I've sold raw coins in the past as AT LEAST a PR68 on ebay (back in the day) and other sites and had buyers tell me they think it's a 70. Great. A satisfied customer but I have NEVER used the 70 grade in a title even when it was allowed.

I might also add that a trend I've noticed on ebay as of late is that raw coins tend to get better money than MS or PR69 because the buyer is hoping for the "gem" to slab. Sell them raw as original and you might actually do better. Toss in the 70 grade and you make people wary.

Fact is there ARE a lot of scams going on with ebay and it's discussed a lot here. I really don't think any harm was meant here but perhaps you can realize that this is how a lot of people viewed your auction.

Finally, I'm sure YOU meant no harm or to be misleading. Words can mean a lot.

clembo

 

IMO. He's just trying to sell his coins for as much as he can, using whatever techniques that are available on eBay.
Just the fact that, in his last 2 auctions, he's brought up PCGS, when his coins have nothing to do with ANY TPG Grading company, leads me to believe that he is being deceptive, to put it nicely. He doesn't like my comments, so he blocks me from bidding on his stuff. As if I would bid on something I perceive as fraudulent!

Bruce

 

I am not accusing the seller of anything, BUT many sellers on eBay will put 'PCGS' in the title so their listing will show up when someone does a search using the search word "PCGS". Yes, even though their coin has nothing to do with PCGS. Just like telemarketers, spammers and people that send junk mail - they know the odds are low but if only 1% of the people they get to look at their product buy it they are money ahead.

And, YES, it does appear that the seller broke eBay's rule by giving a numeric grade (even though he said "possible") in the title.

 

Funny, the auction posted above has been removed. Good catch!

I buy most of my coins on E-bay and so far I have been pretty lucky in my purchases but I am super cautious and always nervous buying from a new seller. I have four or five that I routinely buy from and like to stay with those that I know.

 

Looks to me that he missed his calling, he should be a Used Car Salesman! :whistle:

The tactics he is using is nothing short of a shady Used Car Salesman and although anyone selling on Ebay wants to get the best price possible, there is a line that one must not cross or it becomes fraudulent and even the 20 Morgan listing crossed that line, since one coin is slabbed and you can't make out who slabbed it and the seller doesn't mention that in the description. Totally misleading!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140298140563

So I'm with you Bruce! :thumb:

Ribbit

 

Bruce and Little Dog both make valid points! Bruce advised us that the Title of the Auction was mis-leading due to referencing PCGS. Little Dog also noted that he came home from work, saw the emails but had no time to respond before eBay pulled the auction.

Folks, I know that we try to look out for each other and other collectors but don't you think that we sometimes act too quickly! Several members could have fired off emails to the Seller (Little Dog) besides the email or emails from Bruce and then given him a little time to edit the Auction to remove the reference to PCGS. Then after a 24 hour or other period, if the reference to PCGS had not been removed, report the Auction to eBay. As it is, it appears that the Seller (Little Dog) did not have time to respond and correct the problem, had his' Auction pulled by eBay and will be out the Listing Fee. Don't you think that maybe some here got a little carried away, acted too quickly and caused someone (Little Dog) to suffer? Well I do think so and I have probably been guilty of the same thing in the past! Maybe it is time to create an eBay Watch Dog Forum here on Coin Talk where problem Auctions are posted, members email the Seller and then report it after 24 or 48 hours (but report it at least 24 hours before the Auction closes) if the Seller has not remedied the situation.

Just my thoughts and observations!


Frank

 

FWIW, I believe that there were fourteen hours left in the auction when it waqs reported here. Although I did not report this listing, were I at home I would have despite your delay because I report way too many to even attempt to warn each listing/seller and then keep track to report them the next day.