1749 Coin I.D. help

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by winfieldpicker, May 6, 2005.

  1. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    This coin has me perplexed. It's a 1747 coin that is smaller than a dime and Very thin. It has F. W. ô F. on the bottom. (Possibly a Thaler?)

    Thank you,

    Todd
     

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Howdy winfieldpicker - Welcome to the Forum !!

    I'm not so sure it is a coin as I see no sign of legends or denomination. Perhaps it is a jetton.
     
  4. Tbirde

    Tbirde Senior Member

    Saxony, probably the billon (low grade silver) 3 pfennige, C-2 in my old '93 1st edition Krause, lists at $3 in Fine condition.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    By George I believe you're right Brad - never woulda guessed. But that sure is a strange looking 3.
     
  6. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    Thanks, guys. I was thinking it might be a Saxon coin. But the bottom of the shield looked a lot like an English design of that time.

    So, what is F. W. ô F. ? And where is the strange looking 3? What were jettons used for?

    Sorry, I'm fairly new to all this.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The 3 is supposed to be in the circle of the pic on the left. As for the FWoF - I can't make it out on the coin.

    Jettons were counting markers & game pieces.
     
  8. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    Thanks for the info. I don't really see a 3 but I did a search on FWoF and came up with the same inscription on German Saxon talers. So, I know the initials are correct. On the coin there are periods after everything except the small o.

    Cheers, Todd
     
  9. Tbirde

    Tbirde Senior Member

    FWoL: Dresden mintmaster 1734-64 Friedrich Wilhelm o Feral.
     
  10. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    FWoL

    Thanks Brad. Much obliged!

    Todd
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hey Brad - can you explain that 3 to me ? I've looked at that pic 8 ways from Sunday - and I can't see a 3.
     
  12. Tbirde

    Tbirde Senior Member

    I don't see a three either. Many early denominations were only distinguished by the differences in size.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    But that date is suppoed to have the 3. Look in the center of the circle in the picture on the left - see that mark ? That's supposed to be a 3.

    The rest of the design matches the coin in Krause - I agree. But that 3 ???????

    Got a clue ?
     
  14. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    Hi all,

    I could take another scan of that "3" if you think it would help. What's the largest size file I can post?

    Todd
     
  15. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Could the 3 be an indication of a denomination? I reckon that it is a 3 Heller.

    Aidan.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    100kb is the max file size - but you can take a high definition pic and then crop it to show just the area in question - thus reducing the file size. Give it a shot.
     
  17. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    Ok, here's a close up of the funny 3. I made it a little clearer by inverting the image, but I'm not sure it's much better than the original scan.

    You'd think that if this was that common, Krause would have an example of it, wouldn't you?

    Todd
     

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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To tell ya the truth I don't know what to make of that. Even if the die had failed when that coin was struck and pieces fell out - I can't see a 3 no way no how :confused:
     
  19. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    Well, I guess we're going to have to let this one go. Unless you have some overseas friends who specialize in such things.

    Thanks to everyone who responded to the post!

    You haven't seen the last of me...... :eek:

    Best, Todd
     
  20. orschmitohrn

    orschmitohrn New Member

    Here's your overseas friend...

    For those of you who believe the strange sign to be a "3": you might have lots of imagination but there is no "3" on the coin at all. Although I'm not too much into those old coins, I can tell you that the sign is just a symbol for the German "Pfennig" (the same as $ for Dollar and € for Euro). So the coin appears to me to be a One (possibly 3) Pfennig, Saxony, Friedrich August II.

    Hope I could help you

    Greetings from Saxony...
     
  21. winfieldpicker

    winfieldpicker New Member

    Hello, orschmitohrn!

    Thanks so much for the information on the coin. I had finally given up trying. Do you, perhaps, have a book with a photo of this coin? I wouldn't mind seeing one of excellent quality.

    Also, do you have any idea of it's worth?

    Thanks again,

    Todd
     
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