2000P Nickel Die Clash

Found this 2000P Nickel which I believe is a die clash. Both sides show up really good, and not sure the photo's really do this coin justice. As always comments and opinions are not only welcome be highly encouraged

Thanks
Dave

 

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Here are the photos of the reverse of the coin

Thanks
Dave

 

Gorgeous nickel! I need one of them.

 

Great clash. Having the date clashed puts it over the top.

 

I'm going to have to say that I think it is post-mint. I would lean towards a hammer job.
I do that for 2 reasons and I'll point them out so others who might not know will be able to learn what to look for.

Sometimes a person will take 3 coins and put them on top of one another and then hammer them together untill they get the Clash Die look.
The way to tell them apart is that the letters that are "clashed" will be backwards. In a real die clash you the letters and detail would be normal.
This one was kindof hard for me because I couldn't make out one full letter...but then I found the M in Monticello....that is backwards.

Next--look how there is pretty good detail on the coin, but the steps and middle of Monticello looks like a truck ran into it. That is where the hammer did more damage then good.

Now that all of the pic's have loaded...also GOD WE...is backwards....

Hope this helps---sorry I couldn't have had better news

Speedy

 

I would almost agree with you Speedy, but my question is this. Looking at one of the photos of the reverse, the one in which you see the CA of AMERICA the lettering from the Obverse is actually under the CA and the detail of the CA if very clear and not mutulated. I would expect that the CA would no be clear if this were the case.
Also on the Obverse the detail of the lettering is not disturbed at all and is ver sharp over the Monticello. I would think in my limited knowledge that it would be the other way around if it were a hammer job?


Dave

 

Let me ask you this.....does the "clashed" letters look, or are they...heck what they look like....raised or embeded into the metal???

One thought was that it might be a counter-clash...but I'm not sure as I haven't ever seen one of those in person.

Speedy

 

Ok on the Obverse the design is embeded under the WE T and stops at the edge of WE T and does not do over it (not sure this explains it)

On the reverse all lettering is embedded under the letter that is normally on the reverse with out disturbing the letting of the reverse at all. Basicly the letter that is suppose to be on the Revers and Obverse is sharp and crisp, with the opposit design elements being embedded under them.

Hope this helps.

Dave

 

I disagree with the "hammer job" theory. Look at pic #1. Monticello image which should be reversed ( neg die clashes, leaves pos image on other die, then transmit neg image on to coin) goes up to the image of Jefferson and then stops as it should on a clash. on a hammer job the high points would be more affected than the fields.
A hammer job is attempting to mimmick a flipped double strike which would not be reversed.

Richard

 

This is odd...
The letters are backwards....which means not a clash...
but they DO go under some of the other letters...and that is odd.

So they are embedded...they aren't sticking out like the normal letters on a nickel..

Speedy

 

Here is another photo which may help. I have isolated just the ES from United States off of the Reverse so that you can see how the clash goes under the main design element

Dave

 

True--but how do you discount the letters being backwards?
I don't think this coun was double struck...I did wonder if it was struck with another coin stuck on the die (struck by capped die) but since I've never seen one I can't be sure what one would even look like.

Speedy

 

Dave,
I'm far from an expert on this type of thing....but I'm going to PM both Mike D. and Bill and see if they will come by and help us out...

Speedy

 

On the Obverse of the coin all the reverse design elements are under the Main design elements of the Obverse, and on the Reverse all Obverse design elements are under the normal design elements that should be on the reverse and on both sides they are embedded.

yes I am confused also.

 

THink about how a die clash works
step one: the dies with their NEGATIVE images strike each other

step two: a POSITIVE image of the obverse is left on the reverseand a POSITIVE image of the reverse is left on the obverse

step three: A planchet is struck with these damaged dies leaving a POSITIVE obverse image and a NEGATIVE clash image of the reverse on the obverse of the coin. the reverse will have athe same situation.

Richard

 

Here are a few more photos, in which I isolated a few letter to show how they are under the main elements of the side they are on.

Dave

 

I have a nickel struck by this die pair. It represents the strongest clash ever recorded on a U.S. coin -- or any coin, for that matter.

 

Thanks Mike
Is this a coin that you would recommend sending to a TPG to get encapsulated?

 

If the owner is looking to sell it, then encapsulation would probably be a good idea as its appearance can be unnerving to the unprepared.

If the owner simply wants to keep it, why waste money on a grading service?

 

What would cause it to be the strongest? Die clash during test strikes w/o planchet in or multiple clashes?
Sweet find BTW