I just bought a mint bag of 1972 pennies and after having gone through a couple hundred, I've found 3 DDOs (type 4 I think). Do you think this increases or decreases my chances of finding the big one in there? Is there any way of knowing what part of the year, if any, most of the DDOs come from? If so, can you identify if a bag is from that period? I'm back to searching.
First, let me say welcome to Coin Talk! Second, I hope that you have found any of the extremely rare 1972-P "DDO Die #4" Lincoln Cents! However, many times the Die #2, Die #5 and Die #7 DDO's are confused with the Die #4. The Variety is so rare that Copper Coins has apparently been unable to obtain a specimen for an example on their' website. Third, I don't think your chances of finding a Die #1 is very good but who knows! Since the bags are generally filled from one particular Production Run or the end and start of another, you have a higher likelihood of continuing to find additional DDO's from the same Die and possibly one other Die. If the coins you have found are in fact Die #4's, then you really would want to continue finding these since they are hundreds of times more rare than the so-called Big One, the Die #1! Good luck...Frank
My mistake. I meant #3. I didn't have my book with me when I made the post and was trying to go on memory. They are either a #3, #6, or #8. From the pictures in the Cherrypicker's Guide, it's very hard to tell the difference between the three. The doubling is to the left. I do have a coin I found in circulation that the doubling is to the right. Is there a good way to distinguish these varieties apart? Other than #1, all the others, left and right doubling, look similar to each other.
You could find it! You could find it but - it is possible. I have searched 100's of rolls and 2-mint sewn bags of these. In the bags we found hundred of die #9 but no others except errors. In rolls I have found up to 3 different dies in one roll, #3, #2 and #8 - #8 is really nice! Additionally I have found up to 11 different RPM's in one single bank wrapped roll of 1961-D - so anything is possible. You did not mention if it was truly a "mint sewn bag" or a lead sealed bag or an already opened bag. It may make a difference with your odds. I would search the entire 5000 and see what happens. Even if you get several of the common dies plenty of people like them. Also I agree with previous people die #4 is so rare that a gem would bring several thousand dollars to the right person - I have never even seen one but have all the others. I doubt it is die #4 on my experience. Ben Peters
Yes, it is a mint sewn bag. This is my first mint bag I've purchased. I've had some nice finds in rolled coins too. One of my previous posts shows a coin that was rotated in the collar 180 degrees and double struck. It is by far my favorite find. I once bought a 1869 Indian head at an antique mall that turned out to be an 1869/9. My favorite cherrypicking find. I'll be sure to post any finds of interest in the mint bag.
A good way to distinguish between the different dies is to verify markers. Check out the CONECA listings for the 1972. http://www.conecaonline.org/content/lincolndoubleddies19701979.html#_1972 Larry Nienaber
Results from search of mint bag No luck on finding the type 1 DDO, but I had a total of 18 DDOs in the bag. I'm not certain how you tell a type 3, 5, or 8 apart, so here is a pic of one the coins I found. Whichever type this one is, the others are as well, as they look pretty much identical. I also found a handful of coins with very few bag marks. I set them aside and may send them in later for grading. Now, I just need information as to how you tell an MS65 from an MS66... Here is a link to the entire coin. Update: After looking at some pics on coppercoins.com, I'm quite confident to say that they are #3 DDOs.
It looks like it might be an example of the MDO-001, light spread...note the gouge in the upper R of TRUST. Larry Nienaber
There's no such classification as a MDO-001 .The coin i think is the 1972P-ID0- 006 the seperation seems very simular and your coin seems to be are CW light spread just like the one below. I didn't check the die markers through.I would say your coin is in MS63 or better only by the pics and the listed price of that grade would be 18 bannanas now if it;s an MS65 a wobbing 30 bannanas jazzcoins Joe
Sure there is...master die obverse. CONECA lists two examples. What is an IDO? http://www.conecaonline.org/content/lincolndoubleddies19701979.html#_1972 Larry Nienaber
IDO is listings on coppercoins and it means i think , class 1 rotated die hubbing Die Obverse . I guess coneca has a different system then copper coins I;m not familer with coneca;s listing system sorry. I thought you ment coppercoins jazzcoins joe
I'm quite positive that it's the #3. If you click on the link to the pic of the entire coin, and then compare it to the #3 markers, you can see the line going through the G in the motto and the line below the R in Liberty is there as well, but hard to see from the reflection. Plus the markers on the reverse are on my coins as well.
I do see the die scartches going through the G of the motto now that I see the entire coin I would say it;s the 1972P - 1D0 -003 I agree with you. and the striation lines below the R as well. I didn't check the reverse of the coin out ,but i think that's enough indications on the obverse Jazzcoins Joe
