1864 Two Cent Piece W/ Repunched Date - Grade and Comments

Hey everyone!

I just picked this up for a really low price and wanted all of your opinions on its grade. Although it doesn't show the right color/toning, it has really sharp details.

The date has been repunched, and I think the first "1" digit has been tripled!

Thanks!

 

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I'm going with EF-45 details.

I'm a little concerned about what is apparently verdigris on both sides of the coins, most prominent in the pictures on the obverse, under the word "TRUST", and on the reverse above the ER in "AMERICA." If this green stuff really is there, I'd get it off ASAP.

Also on the reverse, there is either a struck-through error, or post-mint obliteration, of the wreath, underneath ER in "AMERICA."

 

Look on the top of the I in UNITED. Is that a spur?

Ribbit

Ps: Take a closeup of AMERICA and look for recutting there too!

 

I agree on the date the 1 does look like triple punched. I can figure out what is going on with the surface of that coin. I am wondering if it was previously cleaned to remove verdigris and some still remains. Nice interesting coin Ryan - I like repunching on the coin.

 

Nice catches guys!

As a matter of fact, the whole reverse has doubling on all the letters

Yes, that is a spur Toad, and if you were to look at the "T" as well, it has two of them too!

As for the "ER", I don't see what you guys are seeing? Can you point it out please?

 

I bet they recut the legends and didn't touch anything else and the wreath is weak because the die was worn out and should have been replaced.

Check the IN GOD WE TRUST for recutting too? :kewl:

This coin is getting better by the minute.

Ribbit

 

Where is Clembo!

As for the reverse: That is Longacre doubling, I believe.
Named for the designer of the coin design. (same as on Indian Head cents).

No added value.

But, nice RPD.

 

A quick look at Flynn's book and I come up with this.
It's a KF-L5-TPD.
- KF = Kevin Flynn
- L5 = Large Motto, Die #5
- TPD = Triple Punched Date

Cross Reference - BR2376

There are other diagnostics, but the triple punched date pretty much nails it.

 

wow, nice coin man, I'd call it XF-40, it's got some interesting coloring but I love the TPD

 

Thanks for thing Kanga. I really don't have much education in the Two Cent Piece section, so this was a big help, thanks again!

I'll get the pics this afternoon when I get back. Some things are harder to see in person than on the photos! Which is basically happening all the time to me

 

I would give the coin an AU 58 and maybe a MS60 it may make

The doubling on the reverse it's not logacre's doubling it looks more like machine doubling longacre ;s doubling ,is doubled on both sides of the lettering.


Nice over punched date I notice on the one of the date looks like a little spur on the top and bottom
Jazzcoins Joe

 

Looks like an AU to me (with some machine doubling to boot).

Just don't see enough wear to justify XF, and I'm having trouble telling the difference between mellowed mint red and wear that has impared luster.

Regardless, what it's a very attractive coin with a very nice strike centrally.

Thanks for sharing...Mike

 

It is Longacre doubling. The doubling CAN be on both sides of the lettering but does not always appear on both sides of any given letter. When the die was hubbed it would appear all the way around the letters but when the die was lapped for use or as the die wears or is repolished the doubling varies and can fade irregularly.

 

Damn you! You're right. Longacre doubling it is.

Think the date is repunched though, no?

 

I was wondering the same thing. I would say that the date has been truly repunched, since I have seen a lot of mechanical and longacre doubling in the past, but this ones seems to be different, and more bold. Doug would know the answer

 

The 6 of the date is without a doubt repunched, so that's all it takes for it to be a repunched date. All 4 numbers don't have to be repunched but I figure they were.

Ribbit

 

The 1 is what got my attention. So why is that 1 tripled and the others only doubled?

 

wish my '64 looked that good! lol, mine's in bad shape.

 

Because little mr. engraver screwed up on the 1 three times when repunching the date and only twice on the others.

 

Well it seems to be machine doubling like i said ,and not logacre's doubling

The last three letters in United seems to be a clear indication notice the little splits caused by a loose die and the shelf like doubling on those letters ,and logacre 's doubling has a mushy appearance ,and rounded


I indicated in red the letters that look like machine doubling.The other pic is logacre's doubling the word states below the first pic notice the mushy appearance ,and the doubling on both sides of the letters

Jazzcoins joe