New Pictures, Old Coin: 1793 Half Cent

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    This is a coin i posted before, BUT these new pictures are far better i think.

    I find copper in general very difficult to photograph, specially with a relatively simple camera as i have. In order to bring out the details as best as possible, and also the color, you need to find just the right lighting conditions, and angle.

    Here are some new pictures of this 1793 1/2 cent. I believe the pictures show the coin the way it really is. Now the grainy reverse surface is more evident, but also the overall level of detail.
    How would you guys net grade this coin based on these pictures?

    Thanks,
    Eduard
     

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  3. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I don't net grade, so I'd call it F-12, light corrosion obverse, moderate corrosion reverse.
     
  4. Fish

    Fish Half Cent Nut

    I'd call it a 12 net 7 for corrosion. For a 1793, not too shabby.
     
  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    When imaging any coin, but particularly copper, make sure you have a black/dark gray, non-reflective background.
    You want the light the camera see to come as much from the coin as possible.
    A white background can turn a nice copper coin into a black disk.
    If you have to use image s/w to make the coin presentable, you'll be hard pressed to make the color resemble the real coin.

    I use a piece of dark gray construction paper, the stuff that kids in elementary school use to make things while eating the white paste.

    BTW, raw coins can be done with a scanner.
    Just cover them with the same black/dark gray, non-reflective paper, then close the lid.

    Most scanners do a very poor job on slabs. The coin most often is out of focus.
     
  6. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you for the grade opinions guys. This coin came from J. Kern back in 1986. I still have his old ticket in which he described it as 'pleasing Very Good, slightly grainy'.


    Kanga, many thanks for the tips on how to take good photographs. I was "proud" of these pics because my usual ones are much worse. Have tried many backgrounds and light settings, but the best conditions for me have been 'window sill at 2 pm on a cloudy day'. What i really need is a better camera.
    I will need to try a dark/non reflective background as you suggest, and also try a scanner.

    I love the way S. Yancey and C.V.M present coins on their websites. It brings out the details to their fullest.

    regards,
    Eduard
     
  7. Fish

    Fish Half Cent Nut

    Tom Reynolds usually has pretty good pics on his site as well.
     
  8. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I'm totally stoked that I got the correct technical grade. Early copper's far from my specialty. I guess I've hung around Fish long enough that something actually rubbed off.
     
  9. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    There's a lot to like about this coin. One of the impressive things is totally full legends. Even coins with good planchets and less wear don't always have rock solid legends like these.

    What the heck... I'll give it a try. VG details, corrosion, net EAC 4.

    Cohen-3, Breen-3, r.3

    Good ol' Eduard. Always throwin' down the good stuff ! :rolleyes:
     
  10. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    That does it! I officially hate you now! :D

    I melted when I saw it! :yawn:

    As to pics, I find that daytime in the shade works well for me. There aren't any shadows being cast and the light is coming in from all sides, so I can get within an inch or so of the coin and get a really good shot and no shadow from the camera and no flash needed. ;)

    I don't collect half-cents but I have some and will probably start going after them some day. ;) But I would die for one of these! :hammer:

    Awesome! :thumb:

    Awesome! :thumb:

    Awesome! :thumb:

    Ribbit :)
     
  11. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Nice coin! I like it even with the slight pitting from corrosion. Very nice Eduard.
     
  12. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    wow, thats a nice coin.
     
  13. ryanbrooks

    ryanbrooks Active Member

    Hmm, I think I know a guy that can arrange that :whistle:

    Nice coin man! :D Lovin it! :cool:
     
  14. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I would TPG grade the coin VG details, corroded, net G.

    I'd EAC grade the coin G 6 details, corroded, net AG-03.

    But the heck with the grades, I'd value the coin at roughly $2500.
     
  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**


    Thanks Leadfoot.

    I'll see if i can get another another, better picture of my S-3 Chain Cent (with my new/improved photographing skills) for you guys to grade to EAC standards.

    That is one of the things i regret about not living in the U.S (besides the lower taxes) - not being able to participate in EAC conventions and view all of those lovely coppers....
     
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