Ruined?

Or still desirable?

 

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I am not sure just what you mean "ruined". I doubt if you could get MS prices for it, but I am sure that you could sell it on eBay without any problem. It sure looks like it WAS a pretty coin.

 

What happened to it?

 

It appears that it was left too long in some type of cleaning solution!

Ruined, no! De-valued, yes! I would think that if placed in a brown envelope for up to 6 months and possibly a year, that it should re-tone nicely. That doesn't mean that you could get the same price that you may have got if the had not been tampered with but who knows! If the toning comes out really nice, then it is possible that it could fetch a price well above what it would have fetched before the tampering.


Frank

 

The coin looks like it went to a car wash the copper has that appearance of being washed out left in the washer to long.

The coins details are still intact but the coins value has decreased, because of the washed out look , BUT STILL A NICE SPECEMEN AND A KEY DATE IN THE SERIES . and are sought after in spite of the condition.

YOU STILL COULD GET A NICE PREMIUM FOR IT I WOULD SAY IF SOMEBODY OVERLOOKS THE CLEANING THAT IS .

I would say the coin could grade in the EF 45 grade it would have graded a MS if the coins original surfaces weren't tampered with or unfortunitly left in the wash to long.

I would say not ruined i think the coin is still desirable in my eyes


Jazzcoins Joe

 

Dont think it is ruined, you can still see quite clearly what it is and for someone who dont have one and as long as the price was right then it would be desirable.

 

My first question would be authenticity......it looks like a die #3 obverse, BUT, the mm sits just a hair to the right of where it thould be. A macro of the mm is in order, we need to see that die chip in the upper loop of the S.

 

The picture is fuzzy, but the VDB looks suspect to me.

Could also be an added mintmark. The metal around the mintmark looks funny.

 

I do not have the resources you two have and I am stretching the limit of what I can make out, but my book gives me two indicators of a genuine S VDB.
1. A die gouge at the rim between the R and U in "TRUST". I am pretty sure that it is there on this coin.
2. A nick in the upper serif of the mm. I am not sure, but I think I can see it.

And again, that date/mm look virtually identical of the genuine example in my book.

 

I will grant you that there is a darkened area around the mm, but there is no way I can determine that there is (or is not) metal coming out from under the mm. I have also seen a bunch of cleaned coins that have brown around any devise that sticks up and look just like this one. And it "sits on top" just like the 1909 do for me.

I see 3 things in favor of real (mm only) to me. Shape is right, positions is right, and I think the notch is right (I believe). And then there is that die gouge by the trust. No, I cannot prove it nor, imho, can you. Until the OP either posts better pics or agrees with one or the other, we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

Well i tried to crop the area were the die gouge should be located and it may be there check it out ,

jazzcoins joe

 

I am not sure just what you are pointing at. The die gouge I am referring to is at and almost parallel with the rim. Here are the best I could do with the pics.

 

The pics are not good to determine this unless the op decides to post better pics I don't see any gouge were you are indicating.I thought you ment in the area were I pointed out

I think GD makes a good point with the altered mm that area does look kind of strange to me

The fields of this coin just don't look right to me .I'm starting to think it's a fake anyway
Jazzcoins Joe

 

I'd pass without it being TPG'd or without some better pics. I see exactly what GD is talking about.

 

To me this smaller image makes the S look like it's floating.
The dark area around it don't make me feel any better about it.

 

Definitely not ruined.