2000 Goodacre Sacagewea

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  1. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I'm wondering if anyone knows if there is a difference between the Goodacre Sacs and the normal 2000 Sacs and what the differences is?

    Ruben
     
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  3. skm06

    skm06 Member

    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page24.html

    "The 5,000 Sacagawea dollars given to Ms. Goodacre are different from the ones found in circulation. They were struck on burnished planchets, giving them a proof-like or "Specimen" appearance. They were struck with higher than normal pressure by polished dies. They were also treated with an antioxidant to help preserve their appearance"
     
  4. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Thanks. Maybe I can find some comparative photo's now.

    Ruben
     
  5. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    where can i buy those?
     
  6. mrbrklyn

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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You should be able to find what you want, and more, here Ruben - Small Dollars
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    From what I saw of them when they came out I am of the opinion they were burnished after striking. To me they are just an altered coin.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Your opinion was discussed at length by many at the time. But the coins were not burnished after striking. The planchets were burnished prior to striking.

    This was verified by the mint in the following -

    http://www.coinworld.com/news/040201/editorial.asp

    It was additionally verified later -

    http://www.coinworld.com/news/061801/news-1.asp
     
  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    According to what I just read there was a small subset that was burnished after minting as well. If someone wants to disparage the coins based on that process by the mint. C'est La vie.

    Ruben
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Read what and where ? Be more specific.
     
  14. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page24.html

    It's there. At least 126 of the Goodacre finish dollars (confirmed so far, might be more) were also burnished post-striking, in addition to the burnishing that all 5000 got pre-striking.

    Up to you if you think that makes one worth more or not, but it is an additional subtype of th Goodacre dollars. Some might call that altering the coins... but to be fair, although it was done post-strike, since it was done by the Mint, it wasn't really done post-Mint.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Read what can be found at the links I provided. The first link contains final info directly from the US Mint, evidence that the Mint produced in a court of law. It states categorically that no burnishing occurred after striking.

    The second link I provided also provides very good, common sense evidence that no burnishing occurred after striking.

    Both of these say that the info provided by ICG is just flat out wrong. And if you read the ICG article, they say there were some coins that were not burnished at all. Those are the 126 coins you refer to.
     
  16. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    I read through the smalldollars link above. I was reading through it when you posted your message. It was not exactly organized like a scholarly body of work, but that was what I read. I'll re-read them later. I'm sure your accurate and I'll confirm your sources.

    Ruben
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The first link tells us that ALL planchets are burnished before striking, both the Goodacre and the regular coins. So that burnishing can't be the cause of their different appearance. It does say that the Goodacre coins are cleaned after striking but includes no information about what that cleaning was, what methods or techniques were used etc. Also the Mint changed their story about the coins several times so any information from them I consider suspect.

    The second link was much more infomative but he describes the coins as being prooflike which is not my impression of the ones I have seen. He basicly describes the coins as being struck from polished dies. Now I will grant he has seen more of them than I have, but the few I have seen were not prooflike.
     
  18. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Can you tell any difference when you look at them?

    Ruben
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The ones (Goodacre vs regular) that I have compared side by side are quite different. The Goodacre coins are in much better condition, better strike, and a more satiny finish than the regular coins. I have never seen one of the unburnished Goodacre coins in hand.
     
  20. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    I thought there was no unburnished ones.

    Ruben
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They are errors in a way Ruben. Somehow they missed the burnishing process. Probably the planchets got stuck in the hopper and just bypassed it. Then the same hopper is used to take the coins to be struck and they came out of the hopper.

    Kind of like the Pres. dollars without an edge design.
     
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