Medieval Monday!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by FitzNigel, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @seth77, that's a magnificent convergence of rarity with immediate (needless to say, dramatic) historical context.
     
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  3. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Uh-oh, I'm trying to finish the start of a thread on Chateaudun, but only up to the mid-13th c. Don't jinx me, this time!!! LOL
     
  4. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    No, it's on this thread :blackalien::blackalien::blackalien:
     
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  5. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Thanks!!! I can breathe easier now.... ...Only that, on the basis of every thread of yours I've seen so far, you'd be likely to render most of what I'd have to say redundant. ...Should get back to the draft for that thread....
     
  6. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Don't sell yourself too short, I thoroughly appreciate your threads :cat::cat::cat:
     
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  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Why lie; thanks for your vote of confidence.
     
  8. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    One of my more recentmedieval purchases is a cut half penny of John that was minted in Carlisle. It is one out the rarest of mints for John, so I was really pleased to pick it up. It's the most expensive cut half penny I have purchased, but worth the tough bidding.
    John Carlisle Cut Halfpenny.jpg
    I also picked up a denier from the city of Metz in the last month. Kind of a spur of the moment purchase, but a cool little coin.
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  9. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I almost didn’t recognize @TheRed with that Greek coin as an avatar! Awesome coins. I shared my recent purchase from Metz, but was gifted one of these lovelies by Saturn last year (forgive my poor photograph):
    Med-17-LoM-1225-Jean d’Apremont-D-532-6var.jpg Lorraine - Metz
    Jean d’Apremont, r. 1224-1238
    AR Denier, 14.68 mm x 0.7 grams
    Obv.: NO * E (perhaps abbreviated NAHO EN IS?), bust of bishop l., with crosier, one star in front of him
    Rev.: [ME]TENSIS, cross with one crescent in each angle
    Ref.: Roberts 8862 Variety, De Wit 532-6 variety
     
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  10. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    It's Monday here, so
    Aethelred II first hand penny of Lympne in Kent. EADSTAN M O LIMA. A hoard coin and a little bright, but a better mint.
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  11. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    A Harold I jewel cross penny of Norwich. AEFICC ON NORDPIC.
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  12. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    And some small change - Henry III long cross cut halfpenny. Uncertain mint but most likely London.
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  13. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Crusader Coin Showing Fascinating Medieval Armor

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    Crusader Antioch
    Bohemond III (Minority 1149-1163, Majority 1163-1201)
    AR Denier, Antioch mint, struck ca. 1163-1188
    Wt.: 1.06 g
    Dia.: 17 mm
    Obv.: +BOAHVHDVS; Helmeted head left marked with cross pattee, coif mail composed of crescents, five pointed star right, crescent left.
    Rev.: +ANTIOCNIA; cross pattee, with crescent pointing downward in second angle.
    Ref.: Malloy 65/Class A to B cf. Metcalf
    Ex AMCC 2, Lot 289 (Nov. 9, 2019)
     
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  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

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  15. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    An interesting design employed by the city of Nurnberg as an imperial mint for Friedrich II von Staufen as Holy Roman Emperor:


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    As far as I have gathered there was a series of these pfennige minted from ca. 1220 to at least 1250, if not even spilling into the period after the death of Friedrich. The one source that everyone is referencing -- the Collection of Dr. Herbert J. Erlanger -- I have not read for attributing this piece. It came attributed as Erlanger 27 from a German dealer, but the attributions of this dealer are often sloppy. There are many other types in this series, although overall this coinage seems rather scarce.

    An interesting feature is the fact that these coins are anepigraphic and at least the main issues struck during the lifetime of Friedrich of exceptionally good silver alloy. This particular piece shows the crowned head of the emperor inside a decorated wreath on the obverse and the Staufen eagle inside of a decorated wreath on the reverse.
     
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  16. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @TheRed, that's a brilliant example of Carlisle. Congratulations!
    (...No, I don't want to know how much it cost. ...Cut halfpenny, Carlisle, King John: I'm already scared.)
     
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  17. TTerrier

    TTerrier Well-Known Member

    Here is a imitative dirham of al-Zahir Ghazi, the third son of Saladin. These imitations are unusual in that they could pass for the real thing except for the dates - this one is dated AH629 - per Paul Balog in "The Coinage of Ayyubids" what happened was the crusaders on the Syrian coast began to imitate the Ayyubid coins, and effectively froze the design while continuing to change the date.

    These six-pointed star coins take the form of name, title and date on the obverse and the name of the caliph and overlord on the reverse. The problem (as explained by Balog) is that the purported issuer (al-Zahir Ghazi) died in AH613, the caliph al-Nasir in AH622 and the overlord al-'Adil Abu Bakr in AH615. There is also a record of the successor to al-Zahir Ghazi (his son al-'Aziz Muhammad) issuing coins during this time period which makes it seem unlikely that the same mint would also continue issuing coins of his father.

    I don't speak or read Arabic but I've tried to illustrate the text on the coins as well using various references. Corrections welcome! Note that "Muhammad" on the reverse was not well struck so I simply included a dot of the reference color.

    I really enjoy medieval Mondays - keep the coins coming!

    Imitative dirham of al-Zahir Ghazi
    2.94gm, 19mm
    Date AH629 (c.1231 AD)
    Minted in Halab (Aleppo today)
    Balog 652, Album 836, cf. Zeno #134701

    Ayyubid al-Zahir Ghazi AH629 obv.jpg Ayyubid al-Zahir Ghazi AH629 obverse.jpg Ayyubid al-Zahir Ghazi AH629 rev.jpg Ayyubid al-Zahir Ghazi AH629 reverse.jpg
     
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  18. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @TTerrier, I'm really needing your transliterations, with the legends mapped out like that. Only wish I could transliterate anything besides Greek, ancient or more more contemporaneous. ...Like I can, on a good day.
    Here's my gros tournois of Philippe III, king of France 1270-1285.
    COINS, FRANCE, PHILIPPE III, OBV.jpg COINS, FRANCE, PHILIPPE III, REV.jpg
     
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  19. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Since we started doing rather strange Ayyubid coins today, here is a sloppily produced dirham fraction struck for Saladin. A rather unusual piece dated by Balog mainly based on the use of Kufic letters, which fell out of fashion soon after:

    Orient, MA – Ayyubiden in Ägypten, Saladin, 1169-93, AR ½ Dirham, A-789.png
    Ayyubids of Egypt, under al-Nasir Yusuf I (Saladin), AR ½ dirham, 1169–1193 AD, Hamah mint. Obv: title and name of Saladin; kalima around. Rev: title and name of the Abbasid caliph an-Nasir (strongly off center). 14.5mm, 1.33g, Ref: Album 789.2.
     
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  20. I_v_a_n

    I_v_a_n Well-Known Member

    One of my favorites from medievel coins: franc a'cheval around 1360. Franc a cheval_1.jpg
     
  21. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I’ll follow the growing theme for today - I recently bought this one, just because I found it interesting for not only being an imitation of a Byzantine coin, but because of that, Christ was thus depicted on an Islamic coin (n.b. - fully aware of the role Jesus plays in Islam)
    Med-19a-ZS-1146-Nur al-Din Mahmud-Fal-Halab-1850.jpg Zangid of Syria
    Nur al-Din Mahmud, r. 541-569 AH (1146-1174)
    Halab (Aleppo) Mint, AE Fals, 24.91 mm x 4.4 grams
    Obv.: Two Byzantine style figures holding labarum between, name and titles of Nur al-Din Mahmud, and blundered Greek legends in field
    Rev.: Christ standing facing, holding gospels, titles of Nur al-Din Mahmud, and blundered Greek legends in field
    Ref.: Album 1850
    Note: Imitative of a Byzantine issue of Constantine X (SBCV 1853)
     
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