Like finding coins under your couch...

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  1. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    A few months ago I purchased several lots of Byzantine coins, but I put it aside since I was too busy at work. While I was tidying up my den at home, I bumped into those lots of coins. Didn't realize the sheer quantity nor breadth of the lot as I kind of gambled on the lots thinking if I didn't like them, I'll just sell them off as the individual price per coin was fairly cheap.

    I still don't have the time to photograph each and every coin and then attribute them, but I figured I could take a few snaps of some of the coins. Here is one coin that caught my attention today:

    Byzantine Empire: Anastasius I (491-518) Æ Follis, Constantinople (Sear-21; DOC 231; MIBE 28b)

    Obv: DN ANASTA-SIVS PP AVG; Diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Large M between two stars with pellets above and below; cross above, officiana letter beneath; CON in exergue

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    I also have two more lots of Byzantine coins that was delivered a few days ago :rolleyes:. So I am not sure what goodies are lying in that one. Only time will tell if I can get to that one in any time soon.

    Go ahead and post anything you like...
     
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  3. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    I can't wait to see the rest of your coins. I bet you have some goodies in there. When you're talking lots - how many coins are you talking - an estimate? 100? 200?
     
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  4. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    There are about 200+ coins spread across 3 to 4 lots with 2 more lots that arrived a few days ago. I usually don't go for lots as I had a few bad ones, but this one seemed to be pretty good. Some smaller Byzantine coins that I was looking for seems to be in the lot, so I am excited about that. The larger coins seems to be a gamble. But the above coin turned out to be a winner...
     
  5. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    You're going to have some fun!!
     
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  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is my only coin of Anastasius.
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  7. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Another coin, another picture. As usual, it has been overstruck with an earlier follis. The host coin is totally obliterated as far as I can tell...

    Byzantine Empire: Æ Anonymous Class B Follis, Attributed to Romanus III (1028-1034 ), Constantinople (Sear-1823)


    Obv: IC-XC to right and left of bust of Christ facing with nimbate cross behind head, ◻ in each limb of nimbus cross, holding book of gospels, a dot in center of dotted square on book
    Rev: IS-XS BAS-ILE BAS-ILE to left and right above and below cross with dots at the ends, on three steps

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  8. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Anonther anonymous follis...

    Byzantine Empire: Æ Anonymous Class A2-32 Follis, Attributed to Basil II & Constantine VII (976-1025), Constantinople (Sear 1813; Sommer-40.2.7)

    Obv: +ЄMMA-NOVHΛ; IC-XC to right and left of bust of Christ facing with nimbate, in each limb of nimbus cross, holding book of gospels, a + on the center of book
    Rev: + IҺSЧS / XRISTЧS / ЬASILЄЧ / ЬASILЄ in four lines; + above and below

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  9. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Very nice! You could almost see Christ's eyes on that one. :)
     
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  10. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Those anonymous folles will probably end up being sold, unfortunately. I have too many of them already. For instance,

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  11. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Byzantine Empire: Michael VIII Palaeologos (1261-1282) Æ Trachy, Thessalonica (Sear 2295; DOC V 136-43; PCPC 64)

    Obv: ΓΟΑΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟC in two columnar groups; St. Demetrius, beardless and nimbate, seated upon throne without back, wearing tunic, breastplate and sagion; holds sword across knees
    Rev: ΠΑΛΟΛΟΓΟ to left, O above Χ/Μ to bottom right; Full-length figure of emperor on left, crowned by St. Michael, beardless and nimbate. Emperor wears stemma, divitision, collar piece and jeweled loros of simplified type; right hand scepter cruciger; left hand holds anexikakia

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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I believe most of us will agree that loving Byzantine bronzes will require putting aside our usual expectations of grade. This is made worse by the fact that so many used facing busts which lose noses immediately and eyes soon after. The Anastasius is right facing so a coin worn to fine still has 'parts'. My Justinian below has a similar amount of wear but many who would accept Anastasius would reject the nearly faceless Justinian.
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    Christ type folles are all facing and available in great numbers worth perhaps $10 if you do not require facial features. I do wish there had been some profile Jesus coins that would serve to attract Christian collectors of modest means. A few years ago I was in a coin store far from my home and was shown a large group of faceless Christs he had purchased as part of an estate. You know the sort of collection: There were three Tribute Pennies but all were fake. The dealer asked what I thought he should do with them. I suggested putting them in a dish on the counter at $10 each starting the first of December in hopes of selling stocking stuffers to people who came in to buy buffalo nickels. I even bought one but he only charged me $5. I wanted it for the inverted trident style A it had on the reverse. He realized it might be a while before someone else came in who would want the coin at any price.

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    I always found humor in the way the Byzantines catered to modern collectors. They made these trashy bronzes for the impoverished masses (like me) and gold coins which are usually EF+ for those who are only interested in perfect specimens. There are great rarities among the bronzes that might sell for high prices to specialists but would be rejected by most at a few dollars. Such is the hobby.
     
  13. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Now, that's what you call a coin of Jesus Christ. Really nice!
     
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  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    That's a nice Christmas present you have yourself there!

    I have forgotten what coin I have and come home for a coins show with stuff already in my possession. I've mainly done this with my bargain bin modern coins, which I don't pay as much attention to.

    Here a totally faceless Jesus (happy birthday by the way!)...
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    And a pretty good big ol' Justinian...

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  15. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Love the contrast between the high points and the fields of that late-reign Justinian follis! :)
     
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  16. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    That is so true. A good face on a Byzantine facing bust AE is unusual, which is why I recently got this Byzantine anonymous class D follis:
    SB1836ClassD800.jpg
    Sear 1836.
    Many anonymous bronzes are overstruck on previous issues making the strike uneven. Many are doublestruck making straight lines crooked. The throne on this one has straight lines, which is by no means assured with other examples.

    Here are examples I upgraded with the above coin:

    SB1836overstruck.jpg

    You can see on the left some of the jeweled cross of the earlier Class C undertype (the outlined dotted line from 8:00 to 2:00)

    SB1836c.jpg

    Also an overstrike on a coin of Class C, See the undertype cross on the right, tilted from 7:30 to 2:00 with 4:30 the old top of the coin. Viewed with 10:30 at the bottom you can see the undertype's big "IC" (for "Jesus" almost upside down at 3:00 in this orientation). The throne is weak, as is the image of Christ.

    The previous two examples are interesting for the overstrike and I like them for their big size and how little they cost, but their negative qualities are apparent and what make them cheap. I like the one at the top much more, but I paid ten times what I could get the others for.
     
  17. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

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    Anastasius I. AE Follis. 491-518 AD, Constantinople, 16g, 34.10mm

    OBV: DN ANASTASIVS PP AVG. Pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right.

    REV: Large M, star to left, cross above, star to right, A below. Mintmark CON.

    REF: SB 19

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    Romanus III. 1028-1034 AD. Class B anonymous follis overstrike, Constantinople. 10.6g, 31.81mm

    OBV: IC-XC to right and left of bust of Christ facing with nimbate cross behind head, square in each limb of nimbus cross, holding book of gospels, a dot in center of dotted square on book.

    REV: IS-XS BAS-ILE BAS-ILE to left and right above and below cross on three steps.

    REF: SB 1823.

    Ex: Zurqieh

    class-a2-basil-constantine-viii.jpg

    Byzantine Empire, Anonymous AE Follis Class A2, Basil II and Constantine VIII (976-1028 AD)


    Attributed to Basil II and Constantine VIII (976-1028 AD)

    Obverse: IC-XC, Bust of Christ holding book of gospels. EMMA NOVHL

    Reverse: IhSuS / XRISTuS / bASILEu / bASILE on four lines, ornament below.

    Reference: SB 1813

    Ex: Kayser-i Rum Numismatics +photo
     
  18. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Collecting Byzantine coins does requires a certain discipline. As Doug points out, you can't always expect problem-free coins, but trying doesn't hurt either. For my Byzantine collection, I try to get the best condition possible (within budget of course), but sometimes I am more than happy to settle with a lower grade. For instance, I bought the following two coins for a reason. The first coin is quite scarce and hence rarely come to auction. The second coin is also scarce and I had some difficulty acquiring this particular type in several other auctions (blew past my budget)...

    Byzantine Empire: Andronicus III Palaeologus (1328-1341) Æ Trachy, Constantinople (Sear 2477; DOC 887; Grierson 1426)

    Obv: Nimbate standing figure of St. Demetrius, holding spear and shield
    Rev: Andronicus standing, holding labarum and globus cruciger

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    Byzantine Empire: Michael VIII Palaeologos (1261-1282) Æ Trachy, Constantinople (Sear-2283)


    Obv: Archangel Michael standing facing, holding sword and shield
    Rev: Michael standing facing, holding labarum and akakia

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  19. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Looks like the lot will be a blast, I'm jealous! I have a similar dotted Anastasius to the OP:
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    According to Hahn, at the beginning of the last lustrum of Anastasius' reign (September 517), dots were added to all new cut coins. Since Anastasius died 10 months later (July 518), these coins are somewhat scarce. (Mine also has a [barely visible] crescent in the right field, which bumps it to rare... not that anyone is likely to care!)
     
  20. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Reviving this thread because I just got a "pellet" reverse Anastasius follis from Constantinople (SB 21), and this post came up when I was trying to figure it out. I used SA's post here as part of my attribution efforts (thanks, SA!)

    This came from a European eBay auction, generically described. Post Office note: from Czech Republic to USA Midwest, Oct. 3-29 - not bad!

    Mine is not like SA's rare crescent type, but these seem to be a bit scarce even with both stars. Apparently these were only issued under Officiana Є.

    Here is a FORVM listing with more information:

    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/c...fld=https://www.forumancientcoins.com/Coins2/

    Byz - Anastasius Const. follis dots Oct 2020 (0).jpg

    Anastasius Æ Follis
    n.d. (c. Sep. 517-July 518 A.D.)
    Constantinople Mint

    DN [A]NASTASIVS P P AV(G), pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right / Large M, dot over star over [dot ] left, cross above, dot over star over dot right, Є below, CON in ex.
    SB 21; MIB 28b.
    (14.52 grams / 31 mm)

    Notes: "According to Hahn, at the beginning of the last lustrum of Anastasius' reign (September 517), dots were added to all new cut coins. Since Anastasius died 10 months later (July 518), these coins are somewhat scarce."
    CT - Severus Alexander, Dec. 2017

    "Berk notes, "Thus far, no specimens noted better than Fine. "Only the 5th officina is recorded for this type with the M flanked on the left and right by a star with pellet above and below." FORVM
     
  21. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is another Sear 21 with pellets above and below the stars:

    SB21Anastasius.jpg
    Anastasius, 491-518. Struck 498-518.
    33-31 mm. 15.44 grams.
    Sear 21. BMC 17. DO 23m, page 23, plate IV. Grierson 73, plate 4.
    Berk 10.
     
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