Do both Far Beads and Near Beads varieties exist for 1983 Canada Small Cents in PL and SP?

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Does the 1983 Small Cent Far Beads variety exist in any mint strike type other than business?

Poll closed Feb 14, 2020.
  1. Yes, I have one in PL.

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  2. Yes, I have one in SP.

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  3. Yes, I have one in PR.

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  4. Yes, I have it in multiple mint strike types.

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  5. No, it only exists in business (made for circulation) strike.

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  6. Maybe not because I have only found it in Business strike.

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  7. Yes, I have seen it in other mint strike types.

    33.3%
  8. I have no clue.

    33.3%
  1. pasasap2

    pasasap2 New Member

    I have posted this question before on other forms without much success. In 2015, I decided to put a Canada Small Cent collection together which would include all four strike types, Business (MS), Prooflike (PL), Specimen (SP), and Proof (PR) from 1981 to 2012 including all dates and major varieties and mint marks. In 1983, there are two main varieties found in circulation strikes (business strikes), Near Beads and Far Beads. I was able to buy a set of the two varieties is MS-65 Red. I have used these two varieties as a way to determine the variety of all other 1983 Canada Small Cents. By placing the 1983 penny in question in the middle of these two known varieties, I can quickly and easily identify it correctly. The price guide suggests, as does the Charlton Canada Coin Guide, that both 1983 Small Cent varieties exist for all four mint strike types. The price guide lists the Far Beads variety as the most common in all four mint strike types with the lowest cash value. However, I have never found a single coin dealer who has offered both varieties for sale as a set in any mint strike type other than those coins minted for circulation. No coin dealer has ever offered both varieties in a paired set in PL, SP, or PR. In addition, I have never found both types side by side in photos in any mint strike type other than business. It has been confirmed by one researcher in an article that Far Beads does not exist in Proof. This was confirmed by an RCM official as only one die was used and it was the Near Beads variety. However, there have been reports that Far Beads does exist in PL and SP, but I have never found one. A few coin dealers have offered 1983 Far Beads variety Small Cents for sale in PL. I purchased one coin from each of these dealers and every time the 1983 penny was misidentified as Far Beads when it was in fact Near Beads. In my collection, I have 1983 Small Cent Near Beads variety in MS, PL, SP, and PR, but only Far Beads in MS. With no photographic evidence of Far Beads existing in any other mint strike type other than business strike made for circulation, I have to determine that Far Beads does not exist in any mint strike type other than Business (circulation) strikes. Does anyone have photographic evidence that Far Beads exists in PL or SP? I would need to see both varieties side by side in the same photo in the same mint strike type to believe it. Do you know of any coin dealers who sell both varieties as a paired set in PL and SP? Maybe I have just been unlucky and both varieties do exist in PL and SP. If you have both varieties in PL and/or SP, could you please post photos with them side by side in one photo, so I can see them. If you have extras to trade or sell, let me know. I want Far Beads in PL and SP if they exist in those mint strike types to complete my set. Thanks.
     
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  3. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    In my 2016 Charlton catalog it only shows SP-66 SP-67 and PR-67 PR-68
     
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  5. pasasap2

    pasasap2 New Member

    Technically, the Charlton does not show anything, it only lists the strike types and their prices. There are no photos in the Charlton showing 1983 Far Beads variety Canada Small Cents in PL or SP. The photographic example provided is of a Business Strike. The Charlton does show a chart that lists 1983 Far Beads as existing in PL and SP with prices but does not provide a photo proving they actually exist. I believe this listing in the Charlton is incorrect information that has sent many of us on wild goose chases trying to find something that does not actually exist.

    I have asked for anyone who has Far Beads in PL, SP, and/or PR to please post photos, but nobody has ever posted photos. Also, I have never seen a single photo of Far Beads in any strike type other than Business Strike.

    There was one photo posted of a 1983 Canada Small Cent from a Proof set graded and identified as being the Far Beads variety, but it was misidentified. The person who posted that photo showed that it was incorrectly identified by the grader. I have never seen any other photos and none have ever been offered for sale.

    Two Canadian Coin Dealers on the Internet have listed Far Beads varieties in PL, but when I purchased those pennies from those two coin dealers the results were the same, they both sent me Near Beads incorrectly identified and labeled as Far Beads.

    PCGS and NGC both recognize four different strike types for Canadian coins. They use MS for uncirculated Business Strikes, PL for coins taken from regular mint sets, SP for coins taken from Specimen Sets, and PR for Proof coins. The number that follows is the grade and the two letters in front are the mint strike identifier. Some of the PL, SP, and PR coins are also marked cameo if they have frosted surfaces at their high points against mirror fields. I am collecting four mint strike types because PCGS identifies there being four. My US penny collection has a Business Strike and a Proof Strike, but I also collected the 1983 DDR, which is only found in Business Strike. Because the Charlton gives a price, which is lower than the price given for Near Beads, I assumed the FAr Beads variety existed in PL snd SP and was more common, but good luck buying these two. Because I have never seen any photographic evidence, never seen any for sale, and never seen any graded, I must assume Far Beads only exist in Business Strike. If I am wrong, prove it. Post a photo of Far beads side by side in the same photo with a Near Beads in something other than Business Strike or connect me to a coin dealer that has both varieties for sale in PL and SP, so I can buy both from whoever has them. I have given up looking for something that cannot be proven to exist.
     
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