Grading Opinions - 1939 Wheat Cent

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by halcyon, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. halcyon

    halcyon Member

    I posted these images a few weeks ago in the "Roll-searchers..." thread.

    Today, I spent some time on the heritage website.. looking thru image after image of wheat pennies that had sold. I chose "PCGS" as the grading service company.. and then looked at every grade, from G4-MS68. Forming my opinion from those images, I thought this coin may grade somewhere in the MS64-MS66 range. What do you think?

    I thought that some of the coins in the MS grades didn't look as sharp as mine.. and then I wondered if that may be because they are in a slab and the camera focused on the slab instead of the coin.
     

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  3. 4largecents

    4largecents Goldpan Man

    I'm no judge, but I would say MS63, looks like the "PLU" on the reverse is worn, but that's just my opinion.:)
     
  4. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    Ok, in my opinion....
    This is an AU 58 coin.. or should I say AU 64.
    There is definitely wear in his hair, but the coin is a very nice red/brown.
    There are too many nicks and spots to make 64 IMO, and I think it would grade as an AU, but if I was looking for one in my collection This would fill the hole nicely.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    AU55 would be my opinion. Wear on obv and rev.
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Assuming that the coin has full luster and has not been cleaned, I think the coin would go 65 RB.
     
  7. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    weak strike on the plu
     
  8. halcyon

    halcyon Member

    I was surprised to see that some wheats in the MS 60's on heritage had obvious wear of the letters on the reverses.
    My initial opinion on this coin (before spending time at heritage) was AU 55-58.
     
  9. halcyon

    halcyon Member

    And there's been no cleaning that I'm responsible for. Once again, I found this in a roll.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Don't be surprised - it is commonplace.
     
  11. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Without reading the other replies, I'll say it is either an AU-58 (if that is wear that I am seeing), or an MS-63 (if it isn't).

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  12. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Most likely what you are seeing on the letters isn't due to wear, but due to a weak strike IMHO.

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  13. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'll have to go with AU-58 , Slight luster break on his cheeks , still a nice coin .
    rzage
     
  14. LSM

    LSM Collector

    From the pictures I would say AU 55 or maybe AU 58. Looks like it has a bit of wear above Licoln's ear and cheek. Nice coin!

    Lou
     
  15. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    technical grade AU-58
    market? (pretend it's an SVDB ) PCGS 63RB
     
  16. halcyon

    halcyon Member

    Thanks for the opinions.. though, I am confused as to the differential between technical and what it would grade as..

    I'm thrilled that I bought it for a penny. :goofer:
     
  17. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    AU-58, I have to agree, luster breaks and rubbing on cheekbone and jawline, and again on the leftside wheat stalk.
     
  18. sublime118

    sublime118 Member

    I'm going in the AU area for reasons stated above
     
  19. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    Never in million years!!

    Never in a million years would this be a MS-64 coin. It has a problem and is a common issue easily found with no problems - It may (in my opinion) be a 62 or 63 - the rub on high places could easily be roll rub as this is a year near the beginning of roll collecting and I have seen many like this.
    Reasons for my assessment:::

    1. It's got spots and esp. it has a spot right at the date in the first field of vision, bad, bad, bad,, - that spot will always be the first thing I would see and that would never change.
    2. One never needs to send a 1939-P in for grading unless it absolutely takes your breath away plus one never needs to buy a slabbed 1939-P as you can find one better than this easily - there are hundreds if not thousands of MS-60 tru. 66 red 1939-P's out there.
    3. Absolutely nothing about this coin is unique, nothing - if I owned it it would be in my bargain box at $4 and I would take $3.
    4. With that said I don't mean to "throw off on your coin" - but my life is built around finding original problem free Lincoln cents. For instance I recently went through a brinks box of 2008-P cents all BU - to fit my criteria I was able to find a little less than 3 rolls. Yes 50 rolls (2500) of BU coins netted me 135 coins I would offer my customers. That's how picky I am.

    Remember a coin with a problem will always have a problem no matter what - and as another member of coin colleting has said, "there is no price too small to pay for a problem coin". It take one awhile to understand that but my dealer freinds will not even pay a third of bid for a coin with a problem - at first I thought they were being to harsh in that but as time goes on I now know that they are right.

    Ben Peters, (home of The Knoxville Coin Show)
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You can confuse people with comments like that. Using the technical grading system that coin would grade no better than XF45. The grade AU58 doesn't even exist using the technical system, it did not come into use until the market grading system was adopted.
     
  21. halcyon

    halcyon Member

    Thanks, Ben. That was a very thorough interpretation of my coin. I'll just say this.. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm still happy to have it. I've only been roll searching for a very short amount of time.. and the '39 still blows away any other wheat I've come across, to this point. And yes, I'm sure that I could go out and buy another '39 that's of much higher quality than what I have. But, for what I paid for it.. I'll gladly take many more!

    bryan
     
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