selling on ebay

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by johnny54321, Dec 18, 2008.

  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Ok, I recently started selling on ebay, and I have a newbie question. Maybe there is a discussion on this, but I was unable to find it in a search. I know ebay has a policy against selling counterfeit coins. I have a coin that I KNOW is counterfeit, but I also KNOW it has a significant amount precious metal. I would like to get rid of it. Am I right in assuming that I can't sell it on ebay even if I make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that the coin is counterfeit? I know that there are people who collect counterfeits, and I would like to find some avenue of selling to someone who collects counterfeits, or even just sell it straight up as bullion for its melt value.

    Being that it probably violates ebay policy, even as a stated counterfeit; is there any legal/ethical way to sell it? I have read somewhere that it isn't even legal to possess counterfeits, but I've also read from people on this board who seek out counterfeits and collect them. I'm not really sure where the line is with this kind of material as I'm really new to the selling world.

    thanks for the help.
     
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  3. Hobo

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  4. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    Counterfeits can be sold as long as they are fully described in the title and description as counterfeit AND the coin is permanently marked with the word COPY.
     
  5. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Ok, well it doesn't have the word "copy" stamped on it, as I'm sure it was originally created to defraud. So, I won't even try ebay. It's sad, because I just saw an ebay auction with a coin that looked to have the same counterfeit characterstics as mine go for about 7 times melt value. Very Very sad.:mad:
     
  6. andrew289

    andrew289 Senior Analyst

    Post a picture of it..what kinda coin is it?
     
  7. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    this is my fake.
     

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  9. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    Unless it has been assayed, how do you know it is gold?
     
  10. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    I’ve had it examined in hand by multiple reputable dealers. All of them agree that it is a gold fake.

    The dimensions and weight are practically dead even with the real coin. What other metal used in coins has that kind of density? I suppose it could have a platinum core, but I doubt it.

    The coin passes the ring test.

    The vast majority of $3 gold coin fakes are used to fool collectors, as the numismatic value of the coin far outweighs the precious metal value. This was not a contemporary counterfeit.

    Trust me,
    It is gold.
     
  11. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Tungsten and uranium are nearly identical to gold as would be some alloys with platinum, iridium or osmium. However, the net result is that none of these solutions is very practical.
     
  13. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Yes, I agree there are other possibilities. From what I understand it is much more cost effective just to use gold. Have there been coins produced using tungsten or iridium? It would be cool to have something like that, though I imagine it would be expensive.:)
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In the 1800's and early 1900's pltinum was cheaper than gold. Many fakes were made in platinum and then gold plated.

    Today, those fakes are worth more than the genuine coins in many cases.
     
  15. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    The way things are heading now in the precious metal market, we may end up back that way.:)
     
  16. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Well, my fake coin now has a new owner. And yes, he knows it's fake.
     
  17. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Congrats on the sell. Now I hope the new owner does not try to sell it as real.
     
  18. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    I don't think he will.
     
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