Denarius ID Help

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Obone, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. Obone

    Obone Well-Known Member

    Hi Fellow CTers,

    I recently picked up a lot of early Roman Imperatorial denarii, as discussed here With this lot came some really nice Antony, Octavian and a Lepidus denarii. The last one looks to be an Octavian Denarii, but I couldn't find an exact ID. It looks like the inscription on the reverse is MEMM?

    Can anyone help with an exact ID?
    Thanks in advance! Octavian Denarius.png
     
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  3. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Apparently a hybrid of some sort, for the reverse is of the Republican moneyer L. Memmius Galeria, Roman Silver Coins Memmia 2; Crawford 313, c. 106 BC. The proper obverse was head of Saturn left with harpa, not Octavian.
     
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  4. Obone

    Obone Well-Known Member

    Reverse does look like that. So would I be correct to call this a forgery?
     
  5. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    An ancient imitation of some sort, I would suppose. Others will hopefully know more!
     
  6. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Looks possibly plated, as I see some areas on both obverse and reverse where plating appears to have worn through. Would be good to know the weight and diameter. In any case, not an official coin.
     
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  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..possibly plated but well circulated...i thinks its a kool ancient :)
     
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  8. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    There does seem evidence of plating, not at all a rare occurrence at the time. If its weight is less than 3.0 grams I would suspect it to be a fourree. If its in the 2.5 gram area I think it most likely to be. Nothing unusual about having and collecting such coins. I have a number in my collection and such coins have an interesting story of their own. Many of mine show considerable wear and must have been in circulation for some time. I'd like to know more about those scratches on his image. Cleaning marks from more recent times or somebody upset by Octavian or mad at himself for getting stuck with a forgery?
     
  9. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Republican coins were a significant portion of the circulating denarius supply at least until the time of Nero, and they didn't disappear from circulation until about the time of the Severans. Thus, it isn't all that unusual for an ancient counterfeiter to mix up a late Republican reverse with an early Imperial reverse, or vice versa. How often do you check both sides of your change to make sure your 1985 Washington quarter doesn't have a Hawaii reverse?
     
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