Anyone have any THREEs? Ancient 3-Unit Denominations

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I was amazed how many "TRI" denominations that are out there.

    Please post your THREE Unit Denominations or One-Third Unit Denominations!

    THREE- UNIT DENOMINATIONS

    Tri-Hemi-Obol
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    Thasos AR TriHemiObol Satyr running Kulix Amphora 411-350BCE 0.69g 12mm SNGCop 1030


    Tri-Shekel
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    Carthage AE Trishekel Tanit Horse 220-215 BCE 2nd Punic War 30mm 19.7g Lot 36


    Tri-Obol
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    Cherronesos AR Hemi-Drachm - TriObol Lion X-dot amphora Seaby-Sear Vol I 1606


    Trias (1/3rd Unit)
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    Sicily Akragas AE Trias 23mm 8.5g 287-241 BCE Beardless Zeus Hellanios 2 Eagles tearing at rabbit hare in talons HGC 2 159



    1/3rd of an AS (4 Uncia of 12 to an As)

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    Roman Republic Aes Grave Anon 280-276 BCE Triens 46mm 90.3g 9.3mm thick Tbolt-Dolphin Rome Crawford 14-3 T Vecchi 3

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    Roman Republic Anon 157-156 Triens - rare - agora - craw 198b-3 sear 989


    Please post your THREE Unit Denominations or One-Third Unit Denominations!
     
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  3. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Here's a tridrachm of Trajan, Cappadocia-Caesarea, 98-99 AD.

    9.9 grams

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  4. John Conduitt

    John Conduitt Well-Known Member

    I guess having 1/3s means you can count 4s as 3s...
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    Bronze trias (tetronkion or 1/3 litra), 440-430BC, Akragas (Sicily), 17.5mm, 15.33g. Eagle and Crab. Four pellets (mark of value) on base (CNS I, 1; SNG ANS 1015-7; HGC 2, 126).
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    YUP! If there is 12 Uniciae / Onkia to an As / Unit, then 4 dots become 1/3 of the unit! (See my 2 Triens in the OP)

    @robinjojo and @John Conduitt , I was hoping you would toss out those cool coins! I really like them both!
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Tarrifed at Three-Denarii

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    Mysia, Pergamum (Pergamon) 85-76 BCE
    Cista Mystica or Cistophoric Tetradrachm
    AR Tetradrachm 12.46g x 26 mm
    Obverse: Cista mystica with serpent; all within oak / ivy wreath
    Reverse: bow-case with serpents, PRE monogram to left, KP / PRY monogram above, serpent-staff right.
    Ref: Kleiner 36

    My recollections from Harl were that earlier issues of the Cisto to Denarius were 1:3, especially through Republican Rome and early principate. This was due to their LOW AR WEIGHT as a Tetradrachm. Later, when they devalued the Denarius, it was tarriffed at 1:4. I do not have my book at my fingertips. However, his “Coinage of the Roman Economy...” was a great read to get a nice overview of the whats and whys. I enjoyed it.
     
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  7. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    Here is a trihemistater (1.5 staters):

    Trihemistater.jpg

    A cistophorus (three denarii):

    SphinxCistophorus.jpg

    And a trite for the opposite side of the fraction:

    StriatedTrite.jpg
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  9. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    3 dots for 3 unciae = a quarter of an As:

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  10. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Beautifull coins! Esp. Ancient Joe/ Alegandron/ Andres2/robinjojo/John Conduitt

    Here are some of mine....
    Visigoths/ Spain/ Erwig 680-87AD AV Tremissis ND Cordoba Mint
    Axumite Empire/ Endybis AV 1/3 Aureus ND 270-90AD
    Byzantine Empire/ Constantine IV/ AV Tremissis/ Constantinople Mint 668-75AD
    Visigoths/ Spain/ Tulga 639-42AD / AV Tremissis/ Cordoba Mint
    Byzantine Empire/ Anastasius I/ AV Tremissis ND/ Constantinople Mint/ Struck circa 495-505AD
    Merovingian Empire/ Neustria/ Angflus(Moneyer) AV Triens ND/ Quentovic Mint/ under Chlotar II 630-50AD
    Eastern Roman Empire/ Leo I / AV Tremissis ND Constantinople/ 457-74AD
    Western Roman Empire/ Honorius 393-423AD/ AV Tremissis ND Mediolanum Mint
    Merovingian Empire/ Neustria/ AV Triens ND Orleans Mint/ Angiulfus (Moneyer) 620-40AD/
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Glad you fired off the Tremissis, @panzerman ! I have nary, but it is a target of mine.
     
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  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here are a couple of triassaria of Julia Domna. This one is from Anchialus and marked with a gamma (=3), a variant of the coin that is not described in the standard references.

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    Julia Domna, AD 193-217.
    Roman provincial triassarion, 10.88 gm, 26.8 mm, 7 h.
    Thrace, Anchialos, AD 193-211.
    Obv: ΙΟVΛΙΑ-ΔΟΜΝΑ C, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: ΑΓΧΙΑΛ-ЄΩΝ, Demeter seated left, holding grain ears and scepter; Γ (mark of value = 3) in exergue.
    Refs: AMNG II (Strack) 503 var.; Varbanov II 297 var.; Moushmov 2840 var.

    I also have a triassarion of Julia Domna from nearby Tomis, also marked with a gamma:

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    Julia Domna AD 193-217.
    Roman provincial AE triassarion, 8.75 gm, 24.4 mm, 6 h.
    Moesia Inferior, Tomis, AD 193-211.
    Obv: ΙΟVΛΙΑ ΔΟΜΝΑ CE, bare-headed and draped bust, r.
    Rev: ΜΗΤ ΠΟΝ ΤΟΜΕΩC, Nike advancing l., holding wreath and palm, retrograde Γ (=3) to left.
    Refs: Varbanov 4857; AMNG 2811.
    Notes: Die match to lot 307, A Tkalek AG Antike Numismatik Auktion 41, 24 Oct 2003, which is the coin at Wildwinds: http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/julia_domna/_tomis_Varbanov_4857.jpg
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    VERY nice!
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    1-1/2 Shekels or a TriDrachm

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    Carthage mint
    2nd Punic War 203-201 BCE
    BI 1½ Shekels / TriDrachmae
    24mm 9.4 g
    Wreathed Headd Tanit -
    Horse stndng R hd L, raised foreleg Pellet between back legs
    SNG COP 394
    Ex: Praefectus
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I disagree here. A trias is 1/3 of the unit so that would be four onkia. Three onkia would be a tetras. Similarly, in Rome, the four dot coin was the 1/3 as (triens) while the three dot coin was the 1/4 as (quadrans). Three times four equals twelve and the unit was divided in twelfths.
     
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
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  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    THESSALY Pharsalos - AE Trichalkon 3 figures ex BCD 3463.jpg THESSALY, Pharsalos
    AE Trichalkon
    . 8.65g, 22.1mm. THESSALY, Pharsalos, 3rd century BC. HGC 4, 650 (R1); BCD Thessaly II 672.4. O: Helmeted head of Athena Parthenos facing slightly left, with shield and spear over shoulder. R: ΦAP, Armored Thessalian warrior on horse rearing right, brandishing flail at enemy warrior fleeing to right; soldier behind to left.
    Ex BCD Collection, with handwritten tag noting, "Found nr. Loutro, Bt. Nov. 86, 2000 drs"

    Hadrian Cilicia Aegeae ex Prieur 4410318.jpg HADRIAN
    AR Tridrachm.
    9.34g, 24.8mm. CILICIA, Aegeae, CY 164 (AD 117/8). Prieur 716; SNG Levante 1713-4; SNG BN 2328; RPC III 3335/5 (this coin). O: ΑΥΤΟΚΡ ΚΑΙС ΤΡΑΙΑΝΟС ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟС СЄΒ, Laureate bust right, slight drapery. R: ΑΙΓЄΑΙΩΝ, Amaltheia standing facing, head right, holding cornucopia and infant Zeus, who is holding wreath aloft; at feet to right, goat kneeling right, head left; ЄΤΟΥС ΔΞΡ (date) in legend.
    Ex Michel Prieur Collection; ex Garth R. Drewry Collection
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Cool denom! I just have dichalkons.
     
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  19. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Anyone with one of the Corinthian staters, including those of her colonies, has a three drachma coin as their staters were of three drachmas whereas most other staters from the Greeks were of two drachmas. IMG_1224[2853]Corinth heads.jpg IMG_1225[2857]Corinth horse.jpg
     
  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice coin, @kevin McGonigal ... I like the Pegasos. Is that a QOPPA underneath? what is the weight and size?
     
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  21. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Yes, that is a Qoppa beneath Pegasus. The weight is 8.6 grams and has a diameter of 22mm. I must admit that I find these Corinthian Colts among my most beautiful coins. I collect Roman because they are interesting but Greek because they are beautiful. (I also collect Byzantine but why I don't know. I find them to be neither all that interesting and not very attractive at all). I am going to post a Corinthian Colony of Thourion, if I can find it. Even though it is a fouree, a plated coin, it, too, is a beautiful coin. Notice the fine detail. Perhaps it actually was from the official mint at Thourion during a time of fiscal austerity. IMG_1227[2881]Cor stater Athena.jpg IMG_1228[2885]Cor stater pegasus.jpg Impressive at how sharp the is the face. If this was a forgery, the Thourion mint should have hired him as a celator. It is lighter at 6.39 grams and 21 mm. Notice the theta below her chin.
     
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