alright, now this is an amzing reproduction, http://cgi.ebay.com/1916-D-MERCURY-SILVER-DIME-1916D-REPLICA_W0QQitemZ360117481616QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 stuff like this we need to worry about. Just thought I would share it with you guys. So would a coin like this be struck? It obviously isn't cast... right?
Looks like satin finish from the pics. also looks like the spacing in Liberty is not right and would need a better pic of the MM before even considering if it was passed as real and I was able to afford it. Don't think it's cast, but hard to tell for me from the pics.
Snaz, That's actually one of the lousier copies.. these are scarier.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1916-D-...|66:4|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:200 http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1916-D-...|66:4|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:200 http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1916-D-...|66:4|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:200 http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1916-D-...|66:4|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:200
Although I agree, all these are scary, Im not sure these are MUCH better. The rough surface on the 4th one, and the doubling on the 1st and 2nd one kinda give those away.
It's easy to see how someone could be fooled by one of these, if the photos are the typical small ones used in eBay auctions. They don't stand up to examination of larger photos. Now, if one of these was placed in a fake pcgs/ngc/anacs slab..... This particular forger is also offering better quality Morgan copies in correct silver alloy for $200 dollars. Would not pass scrutiny at a decent tpg, but they only have to pass the scrutiny of the average eBay buyer.
Well, it is marked "COPY" so presumably it wouldn't fool anyone. That's assuming that the coin you get does have the marking on it. Beyond that, the portrait of Liberty just doesn't look quite right in the face.
Most of these replica sellers have an email address in their listings, and if contacted would be happy to supply fakes w/o the 'replica' stamp; this one is no exception.
The Replica coins look like sand casting, or just roughly prepared dies. The other one, Liberty just looks all wrong.
The copy in the original post shouldn't get past anyone familiar with the series. From the poor quality of the copying I would say it looks like a Royal Oak Mint product. The four lsted in the second post are uch better. The first two are jinghuashei copies. He does and excellent job reproducing the coin design but there are a couple of problems that he seems to have with all of his products that makes them identifiable. The third one could be scary. It is similar to a jinghuashei but he has managd to pretty much avoid one of his problems. A heavily worn piece from this counterfeiter would be hard to spot. The fourth appears to be a poor copy, possibly even a cast copy of a jinghuashei copy. Making it a fake of a fake.
Guys, Just to clarify... whether you ask or not, order fakes from China.. and... DON'T EXPECT THESE TO HAVE COPY STAMPED ON THEM!
Take this comment in light of what my mood over to the left says. Your answer would be a lot more informative if you actually explained what you're talking about. Not everyone (me) is familiar with this series. What is a "jinghaushei" copy? What are the "couple of problems" that make these products identifiable? In general, what indicators are you seeing that convince you that these four coins are copies (other than the obvious "REPLICA" stamped on them)?
I have owned 5 different 16D's. The first thing i look at is the mintmark. In #1 & 2 the mintmark is not the right shape and the placement is not correct. Also this date is not known for any doubling and IGWT has definitly got some This would make me look twice.( other than being stamped as a replica).#3. The loop in the 9 & the 6 in a genuine 1916 are almost closed. The loop in the 9 & 6 in the ebay coin are opened. Also the mintmark is shaped wrong as is the placement wrong. #4 What jumps out (to me) about this coin is the porous surfaces. That would make me look real hard at this coin. On the reverse, Again the mintmark is wrong. A very good book to learn about Mercs is The Complete Guide to Mercury Dimes by David W. Lange./I'm sure there are others but this is the 1 that I have and it has served me well.. I got it at a coin show about 7 years ago for $25.00. I hope this helps you.......................John
Thank you. I really know nothing about this series and the only one I own is in my type set. Now I know a bit more than I did before.
David, I really would have liked to have been more specific but something we learned back when I helped identify the fake NGC slabs is that the chinese counterfeiters ARE monitoring at least some of the coin forums and they are using our comments about their defects in order to correct their mistakes. Jinghaushei is one of the most prolific of the Chinese counterfeiters. I'd send you a listing of his fakes but you don't have email enabled in your profile. He has an account on a photosharing site with some 43 pages of his counterfeits pictured. I believe I have email enabled on my profile. Drop me a line and I'll see if I can give you some more information.
