1910 Indian Head Half Eagle ?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by vlcnrydr, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. vlcnrydr

    vlcnrydr keepin' em raw**

    I went to the local coin shop and asked if the coin could be checked. There was very little interest on their part and they did not weigh it. It was checked with a glass and proclaimed to be real with a grade of AU...When I asked about the marks I was told to remember that gold is a very soft metal and anything could have made them...

    I gotta say I'm a little disappointed in the way this was handled. I didn't just walk in and ask them to check the coin. I did have a stack of items I was purchasing and I've been in there many times before never leaving without buying something...but...in their defense it was a Saturday and the place was very busy. You could tell all the employees were a little tense. Maybe I should try again on a week day. Try to get there when they first open and possibly in a more relaxed mood.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Mark there are a great many dealers out there that couldn't identify a fake coin if it slapped 'em in the face. Of all the fakes out there, I guarantee you that they have gone thru the hands of at least a dozen dealers in the course of the coins life - and most of them never had a clue.

    Yes gold is a soft metal, but if you go back, ask them what being soft has to do with the raised marks ? Being soft only produces indented marks. You might want to find a new dealer if this guy is that clueless.

    And if this guy is convinced it's real - sell it to him. Make sure you tell him you don't think it is though.
     
  4. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    Doug, a lot of the marks you circled look indented to me like typical AU gold coin chatter. The exceptions are the marks in this image:

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    I cannot tell if they are incuse or in relief. If they are in relief then I agree the coin is NG, but if not, I couldn't say for certain.

    One of the problems with authenticating gold from images is that color tones matter and it is impossible to see an image and know exactly what the actual coin loks like color-wise. Our 2 best authenticators wouldn't even use a loupe to look at this coin, they would be able to determine authenticity by color alone. The "Lebanon luster" is just a little off from what genuine coins should look like.

    Bottom line, without seeing it in hand I am unwilling to say either way.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To tell if a mark is raised or incuse in a coin pic - look for a shadow. If the shadow is on the side opposite the light the mark is raised. If the shadow in on the same side as the light the mark is incuse.


    And I agree about the color being an indicator. But I can't always tell by color alone, if with the coin in hand.
     
  6. vlcnrydr

    vlcnrydr keepin' em raw**

    I'm going to chalk it up to a bad day. I like to give folks a second chance. I do intend to go back, maybe set up an appointment, and really have the coin checked out.

    Doug, I want to thank you and everyone else for the input. It all helps out.

    I've spent some time today looking hard at the areas you circled. They all look like intentions except the one spot under the "E". I'm having trouble getting a good view of this area.
     

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  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Now I see it - when first looking at your response I thought they were incused. But if you study it long enough you can see they are raised.

    Thanks..
     
  8. the coin appears genuine to me... just rather marked up in some places.
     
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