Coin ID Help

Hello!

I just found this forum. What a great resource. I have two coins I recently acquired. One is 23 mm in size, silver and what I believe is from Saxony. Dated 1640.

The other is a small bronze piece, dated 1700, with 1 heller and f e l below the date.

Any help on these two coins would be great! ID, Denomination, possible value.

Thanks!

 

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Hi Talkguy. Welcome to the forum.

It seems to be KM#71, a 1/24 Thaler (1 Groschen) with the titles of Johann Georg I on the obverse. Krause doesn't specify the mintage, but does list two versions. One bears the initials of Mintmaster Constantin Rothe in his first year at the Chemnitz Mint, and the other has the initials of Sebald Dierleber (in his final year at that mint). Both are cataloged at $25 VG, $50 F, $90 VF, and $175, XF.

Not so easy!

The Heller denomination was used in 17th Century Austria, several Austrian States, French States, German States, the Netherlands, and Swiss Cantons.

I've found several similar coins in Austria and its states, but none with the inscription or exact design shown.

 

"DUX SAX" on the upper coin of 1640: SAXONY , GERMANY

 

Is that a "C" and an "R" on either side of the lower part of the central design on the reverse? The R looks kind of like a K, but I guess that's wear.

 

C - R Question

It is a "C" and an "R", which appears to correspond to the mint-master initials posted above. Thanks for the help!

 

The coat of arms on the heller coin is one of the Sachsen (Saxony) state of Germany. Would be safe guess the coin was made there.

 

The crown running across the shield of the Coat-of-Arms is the giveaway.I can tell that it is from Saxony.I have got an example of the top coin.

Aidan.

 

Saxony Heller

Thanks for the ID help! Is the F.E.L. at the bottom a leader? Also, is the coin common or uncommon?

Thanks again!

 

The bottom coin is not from Saxony, according to Krause.

The first 1 Heller Saxon coin is KM#1002.1, first minted in 1778. The coat-of-arms on that coin is completely different from the one posted above, the style of the "1" is completely different, and there is no FEL, or any other legend, below the date.

 

Well, here's a picture of 1 Saxon heller of 1699:

 

And here is the coat of arms on Saxon 1844 5 pfenning (1/2 groshen):

 

It turns out this is from Saxe-Eisenach. So Saxony was on the right track! Thanks for the help, all and what a great website!

 

Don't you mean Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach? That is the most well known of the Saxon Duchies.

Aidan.