1816 Cent

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Eduard, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Here is an 1816 cent. I posted this coin once before but the pictures were no good.

    Please let me have yout opinions as to grade, and hopefully Newcomb variety number.

    Interesting coin, the surfaces are almost pristine, and hints of luster still appear present. However, the bust seems less well defined, not matching the condition of the surfaces.
    Maybe it is just a soft strike typical of the variety? and if so, how would it grade?

    Thanks!
    Eduard
     

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  3. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I would call it XF/AU as I see it. A beautiful coin, albeit weakly struck as you say.
     
  4. borgovan

    borgovan Supporter**

    I agree! I'd probably call it EF-45, or AU-50. Almost certainly a weak strike either way.
     
  5. Catbert

    Catbert Evil Cat

  6. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    I would say its AU55, Its hard to tell with these but I believe its a N-5 which is a toughie.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It is a N-5 making it an R-3, not a tough variety.
     
  8. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Looks like the dies weren't properly aligned at the moment of the strike.
    That would account for the progressive weakness as you go from 11 to 5 on the obverse.
    Note that the stars go from having the central lines at 11 to almost disappearing at 5.
    This is not unusual for coins from that time.
    Similar weakness on the reverse in the 12-1 area (same area as the obverse weakness.)

    Other possibility, but less likely.
    The working die was not hubbed fully (again an alignment problem.)
    Third possibility, the planchet was not uniform in thickness.


    Bottom Line:
    The unevenness will knock the grade down a bit, but I still think it's an AU (-50 or -53).
     
  9. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    Thanks Condor for correcting me. I did in fact leave out one tiny word in my post. which is "NOT" a toughie. funny how 3 tiny letters can mean so much isnt it.

    Nice Coin Ed.. I like it.
     
  10. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    I agree.

    Since reverse is opposite, strength at obverse 11 o'clock corresponds to strength at 5 on reverse, which is what we see.

    The faces of the die were not perfectly parallel. That means 11 o'clock (obv) was slightly closer to the reverse die. Thus that portion of the coin struck up better.

    I have an 1816 N-2 with very similar look. 12 o'clock on the reverse is so well struck as to appear high relief, but the bow (6 o'clock) is very weakly struck. It's mint state, so it can't be due to rub.

    I think Eduard's coin is AU. No cartwheel, so it's possible it has seen a light cleaning long ago.

    Very nice coin. These middle dates are good value, I think. Nice coins without huge $$$.
     
  11. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Au55

    The lack of detail in the stars is obviously not wear. IMO the coin is an AU55 & I would like to have one just like it.

    Very best regards,
    collect89
     
  12. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I am going to agree XF/AU. Nice coin Eduard.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    At that time period dies were not hubbed. The central device would be punched in using a screw press (Since a human arm and hammer would not have enough strenth.) and then all the rest of the details were punched in by hand.
     
  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you all very much for your comments.

    With your assistance in attributing the variety as N-5, I was able to compare against similar coins in heritage: they all show the same soft strike characteristics at grade leves of EF45 to AU58.
    I think this was the very first U.S coin i acquired. I like it very much. It has really nice surfaces.
    Regards,
    Eduard
     
  15. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Hell of an 1816 (N-5, IIRC), Eduard!

    I think a TPG would grade it AU 58 or 55 worst case.
     
  16. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    very nice, Eduard! a coin I would be proud to own- it looks AU to me as well.
     
  17. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    EF-40 which is quote nice for this series
     
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