why i hate collecting coins

Whether you would feel it wrong or right, the probability is that they have had a negative experience with people in a similar mode of dress and mannerism. Of course when you drop an f-bomb on them you would just reinforce that opinion.

I'm not telling you that you have to conform, but I am saying that having extra patience and tolerance would serve you better if you choose this mode of dress because it communicates something very negative to a lot of people.

Ruben

 

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I agree 100%. :thumb:

 

People in general and especially business people such as Coin Dealers need to learn not to judge people by their appearance, accent, origin or color. I have been wrongly judged many times during my more than 35 years of Military Service and Federal Government Service. Non-Commissioned Officers, Commissioned Officers, Supervisors and Officers-In-Charge alike have judged me for my appearance (clothes that I wear as well a my mouth, since the Federal Government until now, has never insured that we had decent Dental Insurance), for my joking around and sometimes for my views on some things. However, in every case, I have protested their mis-judgement and proved all of them wrong and I have the numerous Awards to show for it!

To give you another example. I had a certain neighbor when I lived in West Virginia that by all appearances, was a dumb old Farmer that had little more than the clothes on his' back. Well, this old dumb Farmer owned about half of the property within the City of Elkins, West Virginia, a 500 plus acre farm as well as other properties and always carried a roll of cash ($100 bills) in his' bib-overalls that would choke a Hippopotamus. This dumb old Farmer had a new 2,500+ square foot home built for his son when he got married and paid $178,000 for it in cash. He also paid for the excavation of the house seat, driveway and landscaping in cash but I do not know what he had to pay to have this work done. So, as you can see, appearances can be deceiving!


Frank

 

This is irrelevant to the conversation. Everyone in the Military wears the SAME UNIFROM. They are trained from Basic training to all speak the same body english, to stand at attention, to salute superior officers, and to respond with correct verbal and physical cues. Nobody is discussing here the discrimination that exists because of race, or gender. It is disengenous to throw that into this discussion where it has no place.

People don't have to learn to stop reading the communication of body language, and dress. And in fact they can't, at least and remain human. Furthermore, people can not be expected to stop communicating through their dress, nor can you do so in a healthy society. Of course in the "Service" they straight jacket that communication as much as possible in order to create universal conformity and to create identification with and to the Military. And that conformity of dress is essential to the working of military units.

Coinnewbie01 has exercised his right to express himself by putting pictures on his body and to wear ripped tee shirts. That is his right, and he purposely communicating information to everyone else around him when he exercises that right. If people don't respond as he desires to what he is saying, he can either live with that, change what he speaking through his dress to others, or respond in an abusive fashion and show his displeasure. The choice is his. He is chosing a path to communicate with others and others are responding in kind. It's all normal, expected, and amoral behavior essential to human culture.

Ruben

 

wow, i didn't think this topic would take off like this. I understand people look at other people differently. Hell, my own mother looks at me funny when i get new tattoos. I am not going to change how i dress. to me, going to a coin show is and should always be a stress free way to enjoy myself. I don't care if people don't like my attire. At least give me the opportunity to be treated like a normal human being. I am clean shaven, i shower every day, i don't smell bad, i just dress a little different. my tall/big size can seem intimidating, but i am the friendliest guy in the world. I don't need to impress anyone except when i have a formal function to attend, or i am at work. i guess when i look at it now, i never realized the era in which a lot of these dealers grew up in. a lot of the dealers are older, and grew up in the generation where people like me were considered the dregs of society. all i'm saying is give me the opportunity to show you i am a genuine guy who shares the same interest as you, and dont judge me by my appearance.

 

For what it is worth, I'd always be more than happy to shake your hand and sit over a beer talking coins, women or the local news

You want to see dressing to communicate - Check this out

 

http://www.nylxs.com/images/P3160358.JPG

 

Damn Ruben, you have take everything literally and then turn into something else! I was using these as examples of how people can mis-judge you, so lighten-up! I don't know if you were in the Military or not but I was. It does not matter whether you wear the same uniform or went through the same training, you are still judged or mis-judged because you are different, whether you are from a different region of the Country, act differently, look differently or you are of a different color. It is the same in civilian life and both are totally relevant to the topic.

Since I doubt that you will ever get it and you will have another long take on the matter, I see no reason for me to respond to another one of your postings on this matter!


Frank

 

FWIW from 1981 - 1989

US Army Active duty then Active duty reserve, US Army Medical Corps, 91Q
I learned a lot and met a wife.

Ruben

 

i guess if you wear suits and $500 shades they dont even ask you twice and start taking out the gold pieces for some reason it also reminded me of the tie i nearly sold my 15 ruppe coin by accident what a dampner

 

unfortunately my friend the earthis not round. hahahah was waiting for someone to say that for years roundish but not round

 

i should do one of these every week 700 viwes and 70 responses we all really have abone to contend with as far as coin collecting goes.

 

Well there is round and perfectly round. It is clearly round, as is a babies bottom. Its not perfectly round like, well, X^2 + Y^2 = 1 or more correctly x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 16 which is a sphere with a radius of 4

Ruben

 

you said it hahha you should give me another gold coin for that hahah

 

For the most part coin collecting is exciting and rewarding if you know what you're doing. With the inception of online auction sites and individual websites I have noticed most sellers are out for the money. They care nothing for the buyer. How can someone judge a coin for themselves by looking at a picture with poor resolution. Yet they grade it or price it at the top of the list. My pleasure is Jefferson Nickels’ and it seems there are few who agree on the same requirements to be designated as a Full Step coin. I find this discouraging. My second problem with collection is with PCGS. Though I believe they are the BEST third party Grading System in the World I for the life of me can't understand why I have to pay an absorbanent amount of money to have a modern coin graded only to see it has a value less than what it cost me to have it graded. I honestly believe that every coin graded by PCGS should be worth the price of grading as well as its value. Hands down, with rare coins every time it's worth the investment to have PCGS grade your coin. Where does this end...How many sellers tell you that the coin is worth $X according to PCGS and you're looking at something graded by a company you never heard of. SEGS a while back tried to implement a new grading system for Full Step nickels and in the beginning there was a great discount for all coins submitted through the FSNC. Art, Steve, thank you for the insight and hard work. This is a tuff group of people and they expect the best...nicks, bridges, and so on don't cut it with one wants Full Steps when they are trying to add their coin to a registry set. I always believed if you were to offer the same registry set through your company allowing your coins plus PCGS and NGC you would have pleased a lot of people. PCGS has the foothold and a lot of hard work is needed to breakin and have the general public accept your system. Now that I said my peace I have to say, I am not Ed "6Step" Stucky. I chose this user name because the name has been around for a while and serious Jeff Collectors should have heard about him through his book.

 

Agreed. The earth is actually an oblate spheriod, somewhat ovular in shape due to the flattening that occurs at the poles. But I see what you're saying Ruben.

Anyways, I believe that the "pre judgement based on appearance" argument really depends on the dealer himself. It could go either way, depending on the dealer's past experience, personal nature, upbringing, etc. Maybe he has a bunch of tattoos himself, or has a lot of friends that dress like that? In general, what society deems as "socially acceptable" has been changing drastically, for better or worse; so it may also depend on what generation the dealer is from. In contrast, he may feel that well-dressed people are snobs; or he may ask higher prices in thinking they can afford more.

I personally agree that we should not judge based on appearance one way or another, but the fact of the matter is that people do. It may even be subconscious, but it happens. My argument is just that it could go either way

 

People would be better to be tolerant. I'm from a very diverse and tolerant city. But I think my point is that not only is it that people make judgments based on appearance, both consciously and unconsciously, but that is an essential part of being human and shouldn't be condemned unless you want everyone to be militarastically dressed in uniforms. People should be free to communicate through their body language and dress and people need to be AWARE that they are ALWAYS.
communicating through their dress and appearance.

Ruben

 

I think you mean "shouldn't be condemned".